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Possible mammoth phalange found


D.N.FossilmanLithuania

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D.N.FossilmanLithuania

Dear Guys,

 

I have found one thick phalange but I cannot decide what animal it is. 

Very similar appearance have mammoth but also horse distal phalange. 

The width is 6 cm. 

Any idea what is this? :)

 

Best Regards

Domas

Mammoth second phalange 1.JPG

Mammoth second phalange 2.JPG

Mammoth second phalange 3.JPG

Mammoth second phalange 5.JPG

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Harry Pristis

Phalanx (plural: phalanges) for comparison:

mammoth_prox_phal_A.JPG

mammoth_prox_phal_B.JPG

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Hi, 

 

I think you're right with your second suggestion, it looks like a middle phalanx from a horse.

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Harry Pristis
2 hours ago, TXV24 said:

Hi, 

I think you're right with your second suggestion, it looks like a middle phalanx from a horse.

 

I think this may be right.  For comparison:

 

 

horse_equus_phalanges.JPG

horse_medial_phalanges.JPG

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abyssunder

Horse (Equus) phalanx 2.

 

Phalanges.thumb.jpg.08181527c3519e5f2e2d743601e10c72.jpgPhalanges_text.thumb.jpg.c079b501f4d5a65cd4e0a39207104337.jpg

excerpt from E. Schmid. 1972. Atlas of Animal Bones. For Prehistorians, Archaeologists and Quaternary Geologists. Elsevier, New York.

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D.N.FossilmanLithuania

Thank you very much! :) The largest phalanx I saw in the pictures is near 55mm, my phalange is 60... :D 

Judging by this we should think it was a giant horse, very big species. 

I would like to ask you one question- can we separate the giant species of ice age horses from recent horses by the distal phalange? :D 

I can also tell where I found all of my bones- the majority are found in fellings of forest, several are from forest fire lines where the moss peat layer is vvery thin (about 10 cm). 

As I found bones in the edges of forest fire lines, they were laying natural in the boundary between peat and sand. The sand dunes around Varena are formed in the last glaciation 

and I think the first moss began to grow when the glaciation was retreating and there were sandy tundra. 

It should be about 10-15 thousand years ago, I think. 

Do you agree that fossil bones I find are from Late Pleistocene? :D

 

Best Regards

Domas

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Hi, 

 

Late Pleistocene horses in Europe have been mostly referred to the subspecies Equus ferus ferus or the 'Tarpan', which were actually smaller than modern domesticated horses, and other wild subspecies.  Therefore the fact your medial phalanx is larger may lend more to it being from a more modern domesticated breed of Equus ferus caballus, which would mean that the bone would date from the holocene,  after the arrival of the domestic horse with Indo-Europeans during the Bronze Age. To me the state of the bones in terms of colouration do look quite modern but again look heavily weathered suggesting age. But I don't know anything about the area therefore I can't say anything for certain. Hopefully this is helpful. 

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