FossilsOfKenya Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I recently went hiking in the mountains of Kapchorwa District, Uganda. I went inside a cave and found what could be the leg bone of an animal in the ceiling of the cave, about 2-3.5 metres above the cave floor. I'm not currently sure what animal it is but I have a feeling it's a hippo's leg bone or the leg bone of a genus of proboscid such as Palaeoloxodon, Loxodonta, Deinotherium, Gomphotherium or Anancus. I want to dig it out, but I'm wondering how I can do it safely. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, FossilsOfKenya PS: Sorry for the poor quality of the image. I only had my phone when I found it so I had to digitally enhance it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 The photo is unfortunately so much out of focus, that I can't make out any details which would tell me that it's a bone. But if it is, maybe if you don't know how to dig it out yourself, then you should report your find to a paleontologist from the region. There might be more things of scientific interest in there and you don't want to spoil anything, do you? Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I agree with Roger. I wouldn't try and remove it, get people who know what they're doing. Life is too short and that looks a very dangerous situation. You'll read all over the forum don't hammer cliffs let alone cave roofs... John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Welcome to the Forum. I tried to enhance the photos, without much luck. I really am not seeing anything that looks like bones here. Looks more like weathered limestone, to me. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey P Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I have a friend who is a fossil collector and a cave explorer and he tells me that cave explorers have a strict rule and that is to leave the cave in as pristine condition as possible. That means defacing any surfaces or removing any objects is strictly forbidden. He's told me about fossils he's seen in caves that he's left untouched because of this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Jeffrey P said: I have a friend who is a fossil collector and a cave explorer and he tells me that cave explorers have a strict rule and that is to leave the cave in as pristine condition as possible. That means defacing any surfaces or removing any objects is strictly forbidden. He's told me about fossils he's seen in caves that he's left untouched because of this rule. Yes. Leave it in there and let someone know who could deal with it properly. The National Museum in Kenya is well staffed. Additionally, I also do not see a bone here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Caves are no place for an amateur to extract anything, they will be digging your fossilized bones out in a couple of million years if you try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I agree with what everyone else said. It isn't worth the risk. Perhaps you might consider returning to the cave with a good flashlight and camera with a good zoom function as collecting photos rather than attempt to collect something out of a cave ceiling would be a good (and much safer!) consolation prize. And with that setup, you might be able to explore that cave a bit further, too. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead9 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I actually do see what looks to be a leg bone. I have to agree with other forum members though that this should be brought to the attention of professionals as this could be a find of some scientific importance and should be studied in situ. Congratulations on your discovery. Who knows, you may have a new species named after you! Still Life Fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilsOfKenya Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Thanks everyone for the tips. I will try and get professional help in digging out the fossil or perhaps just let it be and explore the cave a bit more. I will also try and take a better picture of it for those that are interested in seeing it. And thanks again to everyone for the advice Sincerely, Fossils of Kenya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 The way I would collect it is with pictures. But some people I know would use latex to create a mold. You paint several layers of latex mold material over the surface, let dry, then peel it off. Once you get it home you can then make a cast that is a decent copy of the cave roof using your latex mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 On 27.5.2017 at 2:55 PM, FossilsOfKenya said: Thanks everyone for the tips. I will try and get professional help in digging out the fossil or perhaps just let it be and explore the cave a bit more. I will also try and take a better picture of it for those that are interested in seeing it. And thanks again to everyone for the advice Sincerely, Fossils of Kenya You're welcome. You have made the right decision in our opinion. Better photos would certainly be of interest, particularly if you have decided to report your find. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On May 28, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Scylla said: The way I would collect it is with pictures. But some people I know would use latex to create a mold. You paint several layers of latex mold material over the surface, let dry, then peel it off. Once you get it home you can then make a cast that is a decent copy of the cave roof using your latex mold. This may also be strongly frowned upon in the caving community. Alas, I wonder how easy it would be to find latex in Kenya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 fossils, including those of human ancestors, are routinely collected from caves by professionals. As a former caver am aware of the cave rules of course. Am guessing it depends on the significance of the fossil in determining if it should be removed. The Port Kennedy Cave in Valley forge PA for instance was mined for it's Pleistocene vertebrate fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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