Reticulatus Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Hi all, I have acquired this skull from Sragen, Java. Can someone confirm or ID it as a crocodylus Porosus please. I also have no idea of value if people can give me an indication that would be great. Whether for sale or insurance value as I haven't decided yet. I've given it a good look over, no restoration at all, as it came out the ground. It is 880mm long and 450mm at its widest point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Have very little knowledge on crocs and always have concerns of material from Java have you examined it to make sure it's real? I'm looking for sutures and detail on the inside of the skull and fine detail but it's hard to see. Can you post an image of the inside and it may help with the I'D. The forum also does not appraise fossils. The attached image of C. porosus from the attached blog. The other image is also in that blog to show the detail. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/saltwater-crocodile-crocodiles-part-iii/ C. porosus C . raninus skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I really hope it's real. If it isn't, hopefully you didn't pay too much for it. Still makes a great display & discussion piece either way. Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reticulatus Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Great, thank you for the responses! Troodon, it is definitely real, being a sculptor I have a good understanding of what to look at. It is uncleaned and has areas requiring silt to be removed, in due time. But there are areas where it is clear that it is bone. The teeth are amazing, and huge!! You can just about see the sutures in the images, but once again, are covered in silt. Hopefully they have come out enough. I can't see anything to make me think it isn't Porosus at the moment, but not a croc man either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Amazing skull. Check out C. siamensis or C. ossifragus(assuming this is still valid, some papers consider it a synonym of C. siamensis) as they used to live on Java, and grew to sizes approaching the saltwater crocodile. Modern siamese crocs are much smaller though. Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I hope you have all the paperwork to go with it just in case it is an extant species, if you don't I can tell you the value isn't going to be a lot. Trade in crocodilian body parts is very strictly regulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thanks that last photo shows me those sutures good luck with an ID it's a nice skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reticulatus Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thanks Andy, I'll have a look! thanks Taogan, I do have some paperwork for it, but what papers are you specifically referring too? I am in the U.K. Thanks Troodon, it's quite a beast!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 A view of the socket pattern would help "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reticulatus Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Is this what you mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*THEO* Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Congrats for the nice acquisition! These beasts were the terror of the ``Java man``(Homo erectus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The tooth sockets, I meant "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reticulatus Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ah I see, sorry! I'll ty and get a better pic later on as I've cleaned it up a bit since this was taken, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 22 hours ago, Reticulatus said: Thanks Andy, I'll have a look! thanks Taogan, I do have some paperwork for it, but what papers are you specifically referring too? I am in the U.K. Thanks Troodon, it's quite a beast!! The import papers to show when it came into the country or something to prove its antiquity if it is antique. Import papers should give the species if they are modern. Customs can get a bit strict on some species and if they aren't sure they assume the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 And, do keep in mind that as per forum rules we cannot perform appraisals of the commercial values of fossils, even for insurance purposes. If you are looking to insure it, your best bet is to discuss that with your insurance agent or broker, and the premium can be adjusted accordingly. If you already have a policy, it is not a bad idea to give it a closer look to see if it covers rocks and fossils, if it is an optional add-on, and to what coverage maximum. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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