AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I found this thing together with many pieces of Cretaceous petrified wood. I take it to my home, because of its interesting form. Niw i am trying to know what is it, but can not find any similar pictures. What it could be? I found it in Kazakhstan. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm not sure what this is. You found it near petrified wood, so it could be just some more, or maybe coal, but those lines almost look like centrum. Cool find, I hope someone more knowledgeable can provide a good ID. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It seems to resemble coral, but I don't know enough about the geology in Kazakhstan to say for certain. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Do you happen to know the formation, I know there are a few Cretaceous ones in Kazakhstan? “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, WhodamanHD said: Do you happen to know the formation, I know there are a few Cretaceous ones in Kazakhstan? Hi! I am not a specialist to say exactly about formation, but our paleontologists sayd that it is cretaceous. It is near Ili river. There are a lot of petrified wood and a lot of jasper and quartz flat peble stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Some research shows ankylosaurs were present along the late Cretaceous formations of th Ili river, could this be a tail club? “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Here's a paper on the dinosaurs of the Zhetysu region: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235806282_The_forgotten_dinosaurs_of_Zhetysu_Eastern_Kazakhstan_Late_Cretaceous it says Ankylosauridae is present. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 54 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: Here's a paper on the dinosaurs of the Zhetysu region: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235806282_The_forgotten_dinosaurs_of_Zhetysu_Eastern_Kazakhstan_Late_Cretaceous it says Ankylosauridae is present. Thank you for great info about our places. I know about dino bones and i have piece of some petrified bone from this place. It woud be great if my fossil will be a anlkylosaur tail club, but i see some difference in shape. I am not specialist anyway, so i will wait your verdict ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm not an expert on this either, maybe someone else may know more. Maybe @Troodon “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktooth Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I agree with Kane that it does have the appearance of coral. The internal structure. 1 I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Don't think it's a club but can you take an overall picture, no close up of top and bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Troodon said: Don't think it's a club but can you take an overall picture, no close up of top and bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Thanks sorry it's not a club. No clue but Kazakhstan has both cretaceous marine and terrestrial deposits all I can add. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Now that I see the whole thing, it does look like a large coral piece. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 27 minutes ago, Darktooth said: I agree with Kane that it does have the appearance of coral. The internal structure. So is it possible to say what exactly type of corall is it? It is very interesting for me to know all about things that i find. May be you can give me some good link about fossil corals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, WhodamanHD said: Now that I see the whole thing, it does look like a large coral piece. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, AlaPaleo said: So is it possible to say what exactly type of corall is it? It is very interesting for me to know all about things that i find. May be you can give me some good link about fossil corals? I really wish I could help on this one! A preliminary search for Cretaceous corals in Kazakhstan has produced some results, but a lot of that is behind paywalls. The good news is that there has been research into the coral fossils of your region. I can see if my university has some articles on the subject, but I suspect someone will beat me to the punch. Fortunately, there may be enough diagnostic detail in your specimen to better help pinpoint an ID. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 You said you had a paleontologist on hand? It may be time to see what he/she has to say. Also, I understand the central state museum has a paleontological exhibit, maybe they could help. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kane said: Fortunately, there may be enough diagnostic detail in your specimen to better help pinpoint an ID. Thank you very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaPaleo Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, WhodamanHD said: You said you had a paleontologist on hand? It may be time to see what he/she has to say. Also, I understand the central state museum has a paleontological exhibit, maybe they could help. I was in our paleontologist museum and there was not any corals, but lots of dinosaur and mammal bones. I am going to ask local people about this thing, but i am not sure about their qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, AlaPaleo said: I was in our paleontologist museum and there was not any corals, but lots of dinosaur and mammal bones. I am going to ask local people about this thing, but i am not sure about their qualification. It's a shame that coral, an incredibly important creature, dosent get the attention of the vertebrates. Good luck on that ID! 1 “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm not seeing anything about this piece that resembles coral. The broken spot show what looks like chert. I think this is just a chert nodule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 There seems to be some degree of pattern regularity throughout this piece to suggest that it resembles septae from a tabulate coral. The broken off bit definitely puts that under serious doubt, however. Maybe @abyssunder could give an eye on this? ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 40 minutes ago, Al Dente said: I'm not seeing anything about this piece that resembles coral. The broken spot show what looks like chert. I think this is just a chert nodule. I'm with Al Dente on this. I'm not seeing coral either. There is a suggestive pattern but nothing more. More details of local geology really needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 If the specimen was found near the Ili river, I think it could be also transported by the river, so the geological age of the region might not help too much. Considering the presence of visible conchoidal fractures, some parts of the whole ensemble ( if not the entire matrix) is silica rich, which makes me think that there could be geodized fossil (like coral, sponge, even crinoid). Hard to say which one of them due to the fact that the silicification process might envolve deformation and inflation of the original fossil, making it hard to identify. I'm not saying that is a coral, but I wouldn't rule out this possibility considering its branching character and possible life position. 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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