naturegirl Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Almost all the old teeth I find are bison...I hope I have something different this time,...or maybe camel?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusFossils Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Welcome to the Fossil Forum! These don't look like deer teeth, but mammals are not my expertise. Experts will be along shortly... Marc Website: https://www.instagram.com/paleo_archives/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- “It is by no means an irrational fancy that, in a future existence, we shall look upon what we think our present existence, as a dream.” ― Edgar Allan Poe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktooth Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Nice find! Sorry I can't help with id. I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Welcome to the forum. It's a great place for fossil hunters. Need both exact measurements and general location where found. Too large for deer teeth. If this were my hunting grounds in Florida this most likely would be Paleolama Mirafica (camel/llama family) Edit May have spoke too soon. If that is a Stylid in the left tooth, camel eliminated leaving bison or bos The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 They are both an 1" wide and tall, at least what is out of the bone. And 3/8 -1/2 thick at the tips...I'm in northeast okla....At first I thought I was seeing a stylid on one of them, so I just thought more bison...then I thought camel. Maybe. And then I thought deer...thanks for the welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyc Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I too see the stylus. I'm leaning toward bos. Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 If you don't put BOS in italics,some of this might appear cryptic to the non-initiated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 then my first hunch was right...yay me, more bison teeth . Or I guess bos. I may be wrong to do so but if the teeth are obviously newer I think probably cow, but if they are old enough to have started turning that lovely blue, or have any nice brown bone, then I think bison. And the solid black ones are my favorite...would the blackest ones still be bison bison, or an older extinct version? Is there somewhere I can find the size of bison antiquus teeth. And weren't there a few in between those two? thanks for the welcomes and the replies lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Lisa, As a new member, let me intro you to @Harry Pristis who Has the best collection, and experience in responding to questions about bison teeth on this forum. Typing an "@" sign with his handle sends a message to Harry flagging this thread. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 Shellseeker, I'm familiar with Harry from another site, and was hoping he'd eventually see this post. He's the one who told me to look for the stylid/stylus thingy....I hated to flag him if it's something he's already explained to me...but anyway @Harry Pristis...would the black BOS teeth I find possibly (Oklahoma) be Occidentalis or Antiquus? how long does it take a tooth to turn black? Thanks!!! lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusFossils Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I don't think color is necessarily an indication of age..more likely it's related to the diet of the animal, and the type of minerals present in the dirt/mud the animal died in. Humans can have black teeth without being tens of thousands of years old Marc Website: https://www.instagram.com/paleo_archives/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- “It is by no means an irrational fancy that, in a future existence, we shall look upon what we think our present existence, as a dream.” ― Edgar Allan Poe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 10 hours ago, MarcusFossils said: I don't think color is necessarily an indication of age..more likely it's related to the diet of the animal, and the type of minerals present in the dirt/mud the animal died in. Humans can have black teeth without being tens of thousands of years old Marc Seriously?? not about people teeth...but the bison/cow teeth I've been finding? The black and blue ones may just be modern cow?..but at least I know some of it must be bison, here's today's find...or is it cow? it's 14 inches long, not counting the spine part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusFossils Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, naturegirl said: Seriously?? not about people teeth...but the bison/cow teeth I've been finding? The black and blue ones may just be modern cow?..but at least I know some of it must be bison, here's today's find...or is it cow? it's 14 inches long, not counting the spine part. The ultimate test remains the burn test. Fossilized bone will not burn, whereas modern bone (not fossilized, though it could still be thousands of years old) will burn and smell funny. It's nevertheless entirely possible you've found bison teeth/bones that are hundreds or thousands of years old, or possibly more! Color simply won't necessarily indicate age. The bone you found is really cool, I don't have the expertise to identify it. It may be a hundred year old cow bone, a 500 year old bison bone or it could be thousands of years old. Marc Website: https://www.instagram.com/paleo_archives/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- “It is by no means an irrational fancy that, in a future existence, we shall look upon what we think our present existence, as a dream.” ― Edgar Allan Poe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Ok, thanks, I know about the burn test too, and usually try that once the bone dries out...but dang! all my black teeth may not be so special, lol!! thanks..now I have to go back through them all...stupid cows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusFossils Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, naturegirl said: Ok, thanks, I know about the burn test too, and usually try that once the bone dries out...but dang! all my black teeth may not be so special, lol!! thanks..now I have to go back through them all...stupid cows Haha, sorry about that If you search around, Google surely has some PDFs that would help distinguish the differences between a cow bone and a bison bone, and the various species of bison. Marc 1 Website: https://www.instagram.com/paleo_archives/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- “It is by no means an irrational fancy that, in a future existence, we shall look upon what we think our present existence, as a dream.” ― Edgar Allan Poe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusFossils Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 http://www.dinosaurhome.com/cow-or-bison-fossil-58566.html Website: https://www.instagram.com/paleo_archives/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- “It is by no means an irrational fancy that, in a future existence, we shall look upon what we think our present existence, as a dream.” ― Edgar Allan Poe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, naturegirl said: Ok, thanks, I know about the burn test too, and usually try that once the bone dries out...but dang! all my black teeth may not be so special, lol!! thanks..now I have to go back through them all...stupid cows I guess harry is doing something else. Here is a good link to read about prehistoric bison in Florida. http://www.fossil-treasures-of-florida.com/bison-latifrons.html as it indicates, you can not differentiate either prehistoric bison from a modern cow based on a single tooth. My hunting ground is the Peace River is a "black water" river with tannic said that turns fossil teeth black or brown across decades. So I can not tell by color. Black bison teeth may be modern. The bison tooth below is from the Peace river and is a fossil and is older than 10000 years. How do I know? It is rocklike and has a sweet ping when struck against metal and most important, I have found hundreds of the fossil kind. I do not do the burn test much any more. If it is questionable, it is modern. Good hunting jack The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 thanks for the links...I'm finding all teeth in creeks and an occasional river...nothing like the Peace river though! I live in a fossil-starved area. I've read that the chance of finding bison teeth in my area IS good...anyway, I located a lighter and the deercamelbison jawbone with two teeth (original post) still stinks when burned...COW! so, no fossil...thanks so much for the help everyone! lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, naturegirl said: still stinks when burned...COW! Could still be a bison, they have been in the area fairly recently. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, naturegirl said: thanks for the links...I'm finding all teeth in creeks and an occasional river...nothing like the Peace river though! I live in a fossil-starved area. I've read that the chance of finding bison teeth in my area IS good... There may be some opportunities. If you find one of these, I would love to trade some florida fossil bison teeth for it. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturegirl Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 41 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: There may be some opportunities. If you find one of these, I would love to trade some florida fossil bison teeth for it. DUDE!!!! If I find one of these I'm gonna be buried with it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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