Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Hello all, picked up a few bits from Beaumaris the other day & was looking for ID's Firstly this bone fragment. 110mm/85mm I'm thinking land mammal as the inner structure doesn't really match that of the local cetacean finds but I'm happy to be put right. The outer surface which is very worn but where you can still see the preserved outer layer, has an unusual texture which I'm not familiar with. As this is my first post & undoubtedly I've stuffed something up along the way, I'll post the other finds as I go. Thanks for the time & any thoughts are most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Welcome to TFF! There is no identifiable features on this piece as far as I can see, Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Thanks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 This second piece has me guessing avian. The colouration is unusual for this area & the pitted surface has me wondering could this be the elusive Pelagornis... 55mm/20mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Again there are no identifiable characteristics, but it does not look avian as it is too thick. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 as a size indicator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Good luck Identifying them to the clade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Mud Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 These are very fragmentary, but can probably be narrowed down to either mammal or avian. I think the first specimen is consistent with a large marine mammal. Probably cetacean. The internal structure and shape could be consistent with a vertebra. I haven't seen any Pelagornis material first hand (the image you provided) but I would think this would be too thick for a Pelagornis humerus and I'm not sure that the texture is right for penguin. Penguin bones are denser and with thicker walls than their flying cousins as .... well they need to sink. The texture also looks consistent with marine mammal bone to me. @Boesse would able to provide a bit more insight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoworld-101 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 A fellow Beaumaris collector! I agree with the others, both are indeterminate fragments and in all probability are bits of the usual marine mammals. Did you get any shark teeth? "In Africa, one can't help becoming caught up in the spine-chilling excitement of the hunt. Perhaps, it has something to do with a memory of a time gone by, when we were the prey, and our nights were filled with darkness..." -Eternal Enemies: Lions And Hyenas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Thanks Dr Mud, that helps to bracket things a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Hey Paleoworld, no teeth. I went over both sides of the Y club but only found on the NE side. Lots of weed covering the beach so hard going. I did go a few weeks back & found a couple of nice cetacean frags... quite small but always a great to find something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 My one & only sharks tooth from Beaumaris but collected further up towards the life saving club, a beautiful specimen, serrations & all Paleoworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoworld-101 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, Connah said: My one & only sharks tooth from Beaumaris but collected further up towards the life saving club, a beautiful specimen, serrations & all Paleoworld. *pic* Wow that's a great white tooth! They are very rare, well done! I have some teeth from makos, extinct white sharks, port jackson sharks and a tiger shark but no great white teeth "In Africa, one can't help becoming caught up in the spine-chilling excitement of the hunt. Perhaps, it has something to do with a memory of a time gone by, when we were the prey, and our nights were filled with darkness..." -Eternal Enemies: Lions And Hyenas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Thanks, I was pretty chuffed when I saw how complete it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Connah said: My one & only sharks tooth from Beaumaris but collected further up towards the life saving club, a beautiful specimen, serrations & all Paleoworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 7/28/2017 at 2:02 AM, Connah said: as a size indicator So I'm actually the artist who did the skeletal reconstruction of Pelagornis here - and it's based on a humerus I collected and published on. That person would only be about 4 feet tall, as the humerus would only be about 70-80 cm in length. The size of the bird is grossly exaggerated here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connah Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Boesse said: So I'm actually the artist who did the skeletal reconstruction of Pelagornis here - and it's based on a humerus I collected and published on. That person would only be about 4 feet tall, as the humerus would only be about 70-80 cm in length. The size of the bird is grossly exaggerated here. Ha! @BoesseI should have taken that illustration with a pinch of salt right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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