Kimi64 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I would love to be a part of an expedition like that. Baltimore to James River is not too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 As promised, as I get additional photos of various group members' finds from the James River Trip, I will post them. Here is a very nice, very large, VERY heavy cetacean vertebra found by one the folks on the trip. He finally got it cleaned up enough to take and send me a photo. This particular vert was sitting in the cliff face well above our heads and had to be literally "popped out" using the 7 foot row boat oar I keep on board to move the boat in really shallow water. Even with the 7 foot oar we had trouble reaching it, but ingenuity has a way of helping when you want something badly enough. This particular vert came out of the the Moore House Member of the Yorktown Formation (Upper Pliocene). We spent some time looking for additional associated verts but only found 1/2 an atlas vert about 10 feet away. It was pretty beat up so he gave it to one of the kids on the trip. It's really nice when you can find the vertebrae in situ so they aren't so beat up from tumbling along the beach. 2 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 I'm finally getting around to drying out and cleaning up some of Ecphora we found on the James River. Here is a photo of some of them. @Fossil-Hound I will post a better photo once they are cleaned up. 2 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 On 8/14/2017 at 9:18 AM, Plax said: that (Pecten) rogersi looks a lot like our Strahlopecten ernestsmithi (probably misspelled) from the Cape Fear region of NC. It shows up in the base of the Waccamaw but probably a Goose Creek mollusk. Perhaps rogersi is a newer name for it or they are similar but not exactly the same. Hi Don Yes Pecten rogersii Conrad, 1834 is similar to Strahlopecten ernestsmithi (Tucker, 1931) however if they were the same rogersii would take precedence since it was described first. There is however enough difference especially in the auricles to justify different species. Compare Trevor's specimen to S. ernestsmithi from the Lower Pleistocene Waccamaw Formation that I collected in Columbus County, North Carolina. A google search of Pecten rogersii lists it as subspecies Chlamys perhaps by Dall in Martin (1904) and Chlamys is now a valid genus so it would be Chlamys rogersii. I personally feel that it should be Strahlopecten rogersii however there is no reference of a reassignment. I found a rogersii as well on that trip but it will have to wait its turn for prepping. I am trying to prep and identify my Chipola material before my November trip to the Florida panhandle, as well as finishing Jackson Bluff specimens collected last year, Nashua shells from March and re-identifying California Pleistocene mollusks. Too much work, too little time. Mike 4 "A problem solved is a problem caused"--Karl Pilkington "I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." -- Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil-Hound Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 On 8/17/2017 at 4:09 PM, SailingAlongToo said: I'm finally getting around to drying out and cleaning up some of Ecphora we found on the James River. Here is a photo of some of them. @Fossil-Hound I will post a better photo once they are cleaned up. Holy cow those look good! Man I'm super excited to see how that big one looks! Nice work! Do or do not. There is no try. - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Loving it, more pics! "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 While we were hunting & collecting various fossils that weekend on the river, Dr. Ward was collecting a few hundred Chesapecten jeffersonius, with the assistance of some of us as we had time. They are the state fossil of VA and he and some others from the museum are doing a project with them. Here is a photo of them laid out and getting counted after they were all cleaned up. He's got about 1/2 what he needs. Note the monster C. jeff in the picture frame with red backing on the right side of photo. It's an 8 1/2 X 11 inch frame. What a HOG!! 4 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 11:33 AM, MikeR said: Hi Don Yes Pecten rogersii Conrad, 1834 is similar to Strahlopecten ernestsmithi (Tucker, 1931) however if they were the same rogersii would take precedence since it was described first. There is however enough difference especially in the auricles to justify different species. Compare Trevor's specimen to S. ernestsmithi from the Lower Pleistocene Waccamaw Formation that I collected in Columbus County, North Carolina. A google search of Pecten rogersii lists it as subspecies Chlamys perhaps by Dall in Martin (1904) and Chlamys is now a valid genus so it would be Chlamys rogersii. I personally feel that it should be Strahlopecten rogersii however there is no reference of a reassignment. I found a rogersii as well on that trip but it will have to wait its turn for prepping. I am trying to prep and identify my Chipola material before my November trip to the Florida panhandle, as well as finishing Jackson Bluff specimens collected last year, Nashua shells from March and re-identifying California Pleistocene mollusks. Too much work, too little time. Mike Thanks for the enlightenment MIke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 8/20/2017 at 2:31 PM, SailingAlongToo said: While we were hunting & collecting various fossils that weekend on the river, Dr. Ward was collecting a few hundred Chesapecten jeffersonius, with the assistance of some of us as we had time. They are the state fossil of VA and he and some others from the museum are doing a project with them. Here is a photo of them laid out and getting counted after they were all cleaned up. He's got about 1/2 what he needs. Note the monster C. jeff in the picture frame with red backing on the right side of photo. It's an 8 1/2 X 11 inch frame. What a HOG!! Now that's impressive! Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Thanks SailingAlongToo for all these pics ! Nice report ! Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 As promised, here are some photos of the Ecphora that Mrs.SA2 and I got on the James River, cleaned up a bit. I posted the photo showing all of them dirty early in this thread. I still haven't done anything with the big monster Ecphora that I also posted earlier in the thread. First up, is a very nice sized specimen, unfortunately with barnacles on it. Not sure how I feel about the barnacles staying on it but I'm also not sure it's worth risking destruction of the specimen to get rid of them. Will have to ask the "Ecphora Master", Dr. Ward and see what his thoughts are. Given that it appears to be pathological (check out that gaping void all the way down the middle of it in the "end" photo), I think I'll just let it be. 2nd up is another nice sized specimen that cleaned up quite well. It's missing just a small portion of the tip and has a tiny chip out of the tail. This is one of 2 going to Utah ( @Fossil-Hound, told you I would find and send you some.) 3rd up is a nice little specimen with a complete tip and only a tiny bit broken off the tail. This is the 2nd of 2 going to Utah. Notice how pronounced the ridges are on this one. 4th up for your viewing pleasure, is a grouping of the small-ish ones. 2 of them have portions broken off but 6 are all or mostly all there. They are SOOOOO CUTE!!! 5th is a grouping of the ones worthy of photos. The "extra" piece in the top right of the right hand photo below, is being used to hold the specimen in position for photographing. It's the tail portion of #6 below. Last but not least, is one that @Daleksec (Trevor) will have to do some gluing on. It came apart into 2 pieces during cleaning, but as you can see, it fits back together nicely. Given what Trevor has done with the whale bone puzzle posted earlier in this thread, 2 pieces of Ecphora should be no problem. The crack is visible from top of photo, moving down middle of specimen. Cheers, SA2 & Mrs.SA2 2 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Beautiful Ecphora's Jack. Looking forward to seeing you and MrsSA2 at then end of Sep. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, sixgill pete said: Beautiful Ecphora's Jack. Looking forward to seeing you and MrsSA2 at then end of Sep. Thanks Don, We are looking forward to spending some time "on the hunt" with you at the end of Sept, too. I think you and I have been trying to do this particular trip together for almost 2 years. DAM river levels!! (Pun & double entendre intended) We really need to have you up for a long weekend of hunting/collecting around here. So many ramps within 75 min. drive, Paleocene all the way up. No doubt you need some VA Ecphora & big teeth for your collection like we need some NC ones for ours (her's.) Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Nice ones, it seems you had a pleasant trip. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil-Hound Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 On 8/20/2017 at 6:31 AM, SailingAlongToo said: While we were hunting & collecting various fossils that weekend on the river, Dr. Ward was collecting a few hundred Chesapecten jeffersonius, with the assistance of some of us as we had time. They are the state fossil of VA and he and some others from the museum are doing a project with them. Here is a photo of them laid out and getting counted after they were all cleaned up. He's got about 1/2 what he needs. Note the monster C. jeff in the picture frame with red backing on the right side of photo. It's an 8 1/2 X 11 inch frame. What a HOG!! That's a lot of C. jeff! Wow! I'm not sure if I have any of these in my collection yet. More of a reason to come visit you. Do or do not. There is no try. - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fossil-Hound said: That's a lot of C. jeff! Wow! I'm not sure if I have any of these in my collection yet. More of a reason to come visit you. Jason, I have three 5 gallon buckets full of C. jeffersonius, C. madisonius and C. middlesexensis in my garage. I will include some specimens of each with the Ecphora I send you. 1 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil-Hound Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 On 8/21/2017 at 5:32 PM, SailingAlongToo said: As promised, here are some photos of the Ecphora that Mrs.SA2 and I got on the James River, cleaned up a bit. I posted the photo showing all of them dirty early in this thread. I still haven't done anything with the big monster Ecphora that I also posted earlier in the thread. First up, is a very nice sized specimen, unfortunately with barnacles on it. Not sure how I feel about the barnacles staying on it but I'm also not sure it's worth risking destruction of the specimen to get rid of them. Will have to ask the "Ecphora Master", Dr. Ward and see what his thoughts are. Given that it appears to be pathological (check out that gaping void all the way down the middle of it in the "end" photo), I think I'll just let it be. 2nd up is another nice sized specimen that cleaned up quite well. It's missing just a small portion of the tip and has a tiny chip out of the tail. This is one of 2 going to Utah ( @Fossil-Hound, told you I would find and send you some.) 3rd up is a nice little specimen with a complete tip and only a tiny bit broken off the tail. This is the 2nd of 2 going to Utah. Notice how pronounced the ridges are on this one. 4th up for your viewing pleasure, is a grouping of the small-ish ones. 2 of them have portions broken off but 6 are all or mostly all there. They are SOOOOO CUTE!!! 5th is a grouping of the ones worthy of photos. The "extra" piece in the top right of the right hand photo below, is being used to hold the specimen in position for photographing. It's the tail portion of #6 below. Last but not least, is one that @Daleksec (Trevor) will have to do some gluing on. It came apart into 2 pieces during cleaning, but as you can see, it fits back together nicely. Given what Trevor has done with the whale bone puzzle posted earlier in this thread, 2 pieces of Ecphora should be no problem. The crack is visible from top of photo, moving down middle of specimen. Cheers, SA2 & Mrs.SA2 @SailingAlongToo holy cow! Those are gorgeous! Super excited to receive that beauty. I have some E. rana, E. kingii., and A. wheeleri with your name on them. Going to wait until I go to Wyoming and I'll send you some fishies as well. I really need to get back to VA/MD for some fossiling. Probably going to go to Penn in April. Might be able to sneak on down to VA/MD. Excellent specimens you have there! 1 minute ago, SailingAlongToo said: Jason, I have three 5 gallon buckets full of C. jeffersonius, C. madisonius and C. middlesexensis in my garage. I will include some specimens of each with the Ecphora I send you. Yeah I think all I have is C. chesapecten and maybe one C. marylandicus. I look forward to comparing the ridges and fins on each. If you need help on shipping just let me know. I just dropped $100 on S&H last weekend (wife will kill me if she finds out). Good thing I'm working overtime! As soon as we move into our new home in September I'll unpack all my C. chesapecten and work on framing the big ones. I really like how you've framed them and will glue them up in some cheap red cases or shadow boxes. Do or do not. There is no try. - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 As I keep cleaning stuff I'll keep posting photos. Here are photos of another gastropod found on the trip. This one was found by Dr. Ward and given to Mrs.SA2, as a new species in our collection. I can't remember the name. Hopefully, @MikeR will chime in with the name. It's definitely "cool" looking. 1 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Pterorytis umbrifer (Conrad, 1832) LINK "A problem solved is a problem caused"--Karl Pilkington "I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." -- Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 52 minutes ago, MikeR said: Pterorytis umbrifer (Conrad, 1832) LINK Thanks Mike! Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 UPDATE ON TREVOR'S BONE PREP PROJECT As Trevor @Daleksec has put in a lot of time and effort into prepping the cetacean bones he found on the James River Trip (posted above), I wanted to post some photos to give everyone an idea of what he is battling. Also, to show off his "mad skills" at prepping them out and assembling them. Not bad for someone who won't turn 18 years old for 10 days or so and who has no training in this sort of thing. He's learning as he goes and doing a darn good job of it. He's hoping to get to the point where @Boesse can give him a good idea on at least Family and maybe Genus names. So far in the 6 large concretions we recovered from the cliff slough, he has identified a vertebra, section of rib, quite a bit of jaw (possibly mandible) and possibly some skull. Here are photos of the rib. Vert and some more rib. Jaw pieces and many fit together. I'll post more photos when he gets closer to finishing and with things assembled. Cheers, 2 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Here is the big hog of an Ecphora I found on the James River. Finally getting a chance to start cleaning it. Still have some more to go. It will be the 2nd largest in Mrs.SA2's collection. 2 Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil-Hound Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 On 8/30/2017 at 4:49 PM, SailingAlongToo said: Here is the big hog of an Ecphora I found on the James River. Finally getting a chance to start cleaning it. Still have some more to go. It will be the 2nd largest in Mrs.SA2's collection. That's one of the largest Ecphora I've ever seen. E. quadricostata right? Very beautiful and pristine specimen that is 100% complete. Congratulations on the discovery and tedious preparation. You should enter this one in the IPFOTM. Do or do not. There is no try. - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salamandus Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Wow. That's amazing that you found so much on that trip. I have to make sure I sync up for next year's. I've never seen a complete Ecphora out there on the James yet. You guys really hit gold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 8/9/2017 at 9:55 AM, SailingAlongToo said: One of the specimens Trevor collected (or found in a batch of matrix he collected) on Sunday is quite special and rare. Mrs. SA2 used the word "kinky" to describe it. It was identified by Dr. Ward as a (Pecten) rogersi, named by Conrad in the mid-1800s. As Dr. Ward told me last night, Conrad collected and named the type species and then it was ~150 years +/- before another specimen was collected and published. I put the Genus in parentheses because Dr. Ward couldn't remember the actual Genus so he used Pecten as a catchall until he can find Trevor the actual name. Such a nice guy. Hi Jack Just started to clean up my Rushmere material from the trip and came across several Chlamys rogersii (Conrad, 1834) as well. Five so far but the two below are the largest. According to Lyle Campbell in his 1994 Yorktown publication it is one of the rarest of the Yorktown species. Apparently not at this site. Mike 3 "A problem solved is a problem caused"--Karl Pilkington "I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." -- Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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