LargeAfricanApe Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Hi guys! We just got some new Keichousaurs, but I'm afraid some of them may be fake. Their just to perfect, and what are the odds that they all died in roughly the same position? Any help would be much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantoraptor Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 They don't look fake, but some of them had some very bad preparation I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 They look pretty real to me - Close up pictures of each section of the body on each one would be needed to ascertain anything further. There may be some paint on the matrix to make up for lost bones. Hope those weren't the prices paid for these. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 The cracks are a good sign, most creatures have a position their body moves to after death So that does not concern me. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeAfricanApe Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Thanks guys! You're always very helpful. Those are the prices we are charging. I'll send some more close ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeAfricanApe Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 More photos. I know weren't supposed to ask about the value of these items, but, as a low level employee who doesn't handle pricing, would you guys say these prices are fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeAfricanApe Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Well, I'm having trouble posting the close ups . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 The prices seem exorbitant, to me. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Keichousaurus fossils are very common. If I am reading the pictured tags correctly, they are overpriced by a great amount. Look on that famous auction site and you will see dozens offered. Following several there with a little patience will reveal an average of what folks are willing to pay Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, LargeAfricanApe said: Well, I'm having trouble posting the close ups . . . The Fossil Forum has a 3.95 megabyte limit per post. You can use a reply post to add more pictures as long as they do not exceed the maximum limit. If You still have problems You can refresh and it should help. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeAfricanApe Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Thanks to you guys, I got my boss to cut the prices in half! Still pretty expensive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 hours ago, LargeAfricanApe said: Hi guys! We just got some new Keichousaurs, but I'm afraid some of them may be fake. Their just to perfect, and what are the odds that they all died in roughly the same position? Any help would be much appreciated! The top piece probably has a composited or badly prepped head and tail end. The bottom piece has strange hind legs. The tail looks weird too. Your prices are way off too. Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bguild Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I agree, these look real. I'm thinking these aren't composites, but just badly prepared specimens in some cases. Are you planning to prep the one that's still embedded in rock? The prices are very high. I've seen some extremely well prepared, large Keich fossils sell for $1000-$2000. More low-mid quality Keich fossils sell for a couple hundred dollars online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeAfricanApe Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 I want to prep it myself. I'm hoping my boss will just give it to me. It's a pretty cool piece, from what I can see. The exposed spine is partially pyratized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 23 hours ago, Fossildude19 said: The prices seem exorbitant, to me. Pyritised prep = nightmare John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 hours ago, LargeAfricanApe said: I want to prep it myself. I'm hoping my boss will just give it to me. It's a pretty cool piece, from what I can see. The exposed spine is partially pyratized! I don't know if you are an experienced preperator, as you do not mention your level of experience, but Keichousaurus fossils are known to be fairly difficult to prepare. Just something to think about. Regards, 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Fossildude19 said: I don't know if you are an experienced preperator, as you don not mention your level of experience, but Keichousaurus fossils are known to be fairly difficult to prepare. Just something to think about. Regards, Hello my friend Fossildude19. Would you know how to dilute the hydrochloric acid? I have 3 keichousaurus to prepare, and at least one of them I would like to prepare with hydrochloric acid. Hugs! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 47 minutes ago, Seguidora-de-Isis said: Hello my friend Fossildude19. Would you know how to dilute the hydrochloric acid? I have 3 keichousaurus to prepare, and at least one of them I would like to prepare with hydrochloric acid. Hugs! I haven't worked with it before, but never pour the water into acid, pour acid into water while stirring. This is because the reaction is exothermic (hydrogen bonds and all that) and the water will boil and acid will spit all over the place. Others may know more (amounts and such) That Muriatic acid is nasty stuff, be careful! 1 “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: I haven't worked with it before, but never pour the water into acid, pour acid into water while stirring. This is because the reaction is exothermic (hydrogen bonds and all that) and the water will boil and acid will spit all over the place. That Muriatic acid is nasty stuff, be careful! Thanks for the advice my friend WhodamanHD. But in fact it is not muriatic acid that I would like to know how to dilute, but hydrochloric acid, as a ratio of acid to water. Huge hug! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, Seguidora-de-Isis said: Thanks for the advice my friend WhodamanHD. But in fact it is not muriatic acid that I would like to know how to dilute, but hydrochloric acid, as a ratio of acid to water. Huge hug! They are the same thing, and the same goes for most acids. Hope you can get a good ratio from someone! 1 “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 30 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: They are the same thing, and the same goes for most acids. Hope you can get a good ratio from someone! Thanks for the information, which certainly helped me a bit. If someone else can help me with proportions, exposure time and subsequent cleaning, I am very grateful. Hugs my friend WhodamanHD! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 hours ago, LargeAfricanApe said: ...The exposed spine is partially pyratized! Pyrite can be very unstable; I have seen pyritized fossils turn into white powder. Another caution is to protect your lungs from the rock (and pyrite) dust with a good filter mask. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 14 hours ago, Seguidora-de-Isis said: Hello my friend Fossildude19. Would you know how to dilute the hydrochloric acid? I have 3 keichousaurus to prepare, and at least one of them I would like to prepare with hydrochloric acid. Hugs! Acids are always very difficult/dangerous to work with, as far as I know. You might PM @Laboratary FODERE or @steelhead9 as they have much experience with preparing Keichousaurus fossils. LINK 1 LINK 2 Good luck!! 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 10 hours ago, Fossildude19 said: Acids are always very difficult/dangerous to work with, as far as I know. You might PM @Laboratary FODERE or @steelhead9 as they have much experience with preparing Keichousaurus fossils. LINK 1 LINK 2 Good luck!! Thank you my friend Fossildude19. Yes, I'll get in touch with them. Hugs! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I have strong doubts that acid is the correct way to prepare a keichousaur fossil. It is more likely to attack the fossil bones than the stone matrix. In my experience, these are always prepared mechanically. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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