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Hi!

 

I'm trying to run an experiment on a fossil which has had some prep work done on it. The teeth are glued into the alveoli. However, part of my experiment requires that I remove the teeth and fill in the alveoli. I was wondering how I could accomplish this in the least damaging way? There are some unerupted teeth present, which I know from having x-rayed the fossil. 

 

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Welcome to the Forum. :)

 

Do you know what type of glue was used to attach the teeth to the jaw?

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4 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said:

Welcome to the Forum. :)

 

Do you know what type of glue was used to attach the teeth to the jaw?

Exactly what I was going to ask.  

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10 hours ago, spinoresearcher said:

I'm trying to run an experiment on a fossil which has had some prep work done on it. The teeth are glued into the alveoli. However, part of my experiment requires that I remove the teeth and fill in the alveoli. I was wondering how I could accomplish this in the least damaging way? There are some unerupted teeth present, which I know from having x-rayed the fossil. 

 

I'm sorry, but I have to ask; what experiment could possibly require an edentulous fossil jaw with artificially in-filled sockets???? snolly's imagination is too weak to envision a hypothesis that would dictate an experimental design utilizing that material.

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On 10/13/2017 at 2:13 PM, Fossildude19 said:

Welcome to the Forum. :)

 

Do you know what type of glue was used to attach the teeth to the jaw?

No idea. Thank you! :)

On 10/13/2017 at 2:36 PM, snolly50 said:

I'm sorry, but I have to ask; what experiment could possibly require an edentulous fossil jaw with artificially in-filled sockets???? snolly's imagination is too weak to envision a hypothesis that would dictate an experimental design utilizing that material.

A poorly-designed one. ;)

 

I am looking at the jawbone's biomechanics using beam theory and cannot ensure that its teeth are original. Another paper I read which did a similar study filled the teeth in and cited a study in human cranial anatomy that found the alveoli have an effect on the results you get from beam theory. 

On 10/13/2017 at 2:45 PM, Troodon said:

Can you post a picture of the jaw, is it Moroccan 

It is Moroccan. I'd rather not post any pictures publicly. 

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5 minutes ago, spinoresearcher said:

A poorly-designed one. ;)

 

I am looking at the jawbone's biomechanics using beam theory and cannot ensure that its teeth are original. Another paper I read which did a similar study filled the teeth in and cited a study in human cranial anatomy that the alveoli have an effect on the results you get from beam theory. 

LOL, Take heart, with a poor design the sky's the limit in terms of results (or seeming results)!

 

I had no concept of "beam theory" thank you for guiding me to learning a little about it.

 

I see none of this has really helped with your glue inquiry. Have you tried a little "wiggle and hope"? If it is a superglue type of bond it may break free. Caution, Spino teeth can be very easily broken. The examples I have handled seemed more brittle than other types of dino teeth.

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If you want, feel free to send me info via PM so as to keep it out of the general population. I would be happy to assist with advice but it’s almost impossible without pictures (or the specimen in hand). :D

 

I understand the need for secrecy on projects as I have participated in research for a few specimens that were determined to be new species. I had to keep the data secret for several years there.

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On 10/17/2017 at 3:33 PM, snolly50 said:

LOL, Take heart, with a poor design the sky's the limit in terms of results (or seeming results)!

 

I had no concept of "beam theory" thank you for guiding me to learning a little about it.

 

I see none of this has really helped with your glue inquiry. Have you tried a little "wiggle and hope"? If it is a superglue type of bond it may break free. Caution, Spino teeth can be very easily broken. The examples I have handled seemed more brittle than other types of dino teeth.

 

I'll have to try to see if that does anything. One of the teeth actually fell out, if I recall correctly. I haven't done much physical examining of the bone since we have lots and lots of photos from all angles and a 3D model we made of all the photos we took. 

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Just a wild idea- if you have the tooth that fell off, there may be some of the adhesive on the tooth. If you scrape off a bit of the glue you could see what it dissolves in.

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