Shamalama Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Hey Guys, It's been a year since I was out fossil collecting because I was busy moving house. I finally got out to collect this past weekend and found the fossil of the trip on the first day. It's an enrolled Phacops Eldredgeops iowensis southworthi from the Hungry Hollow member of the Widder Formation from Hungry Hollow (Arkona), Ontario. I found it at the feet of our own @crinus as he was chatting with @middevonian. You can bet he was a tad jealous. @Malcolmt did a terrific job of cleaning the matrix off the piece to his exacting standards and the specimen looks gorgeous! He was also able to settle the argument that Crinus and Middevonian had over whether the pygidium was still in place. As found: After cleaning: A closer look at the glabella The left eye is mostly intact... ...but the right eye has been folded upon itself. Very happy to have found this. It is bigger than the one I found last year too! -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolmt Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Wow..... definately wish this one was mine......... better than any of my finds on our mega fossil 3 day adventure... Great find.... awesome specimen... makes me actually think about giving the south pit a try next time I go....... Great photos much better than I get with my Samsung 6 For those interested it was prepped with sub 40 micron re-sieved dolomite (I made Shamalama sieve some media while I was prepping) using a COMCO abrasion unit and .015 and .010 nozzles with a .025 tank orifice. Only a few seconds of scribe work with a German Pferd MST 31 was used to remove a couple of sticky adhesion's near the very end of the prep that were resistive to low PSI abrasion. Prep time about 1 hour 45 minutes. Shamalama can now attest that I work in a crampt little laundry room that my wife relegates me too. Invertebrate fossil of the month is going to be a super tough one this month......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Right eye problem or not, thats one neat lookin bug! RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 40 minutes ago, Malcolmt said: Great photos much better than I get with my Samsung 6 I used my Canon Powershot IS S3 camera for those shots. Does pretty well for macro shots. 27 minutes ago, RJB said: Right eye problem or not, thats one neat lookin bug! RB Thanks! It reminds me a little of a Drotops megalomanicus from Morocco but those are lower Devonian in age and much larger. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Very nice find, congratulations. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 hot dee ay enn gee!! Nifty! Phacops iowaensis???? edit:so awrite,I haven't got Delo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 That's a gem of a find! Did you pluck that from the benches, or was it just maddeningly lying around, weathered out, just waiting for you to come and pick it up? ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Exquisite!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinus Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Mr Shamalama, Did you doubt that I was correct on the pygidium? I knew it was there. The cephalon and thorax were there so there was no doubt about the pygidium. Now aren't you glad I gave you are hard time about you dumping corals on top of this specimen. I can't imagine what would have happened if you left it in the baggie with the corals. This is a beautiful specimen. And yes, I am jealous. Especially since it was right next to my foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil-Hound Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 @Shamalama that's a gorgeous bug. These are not easy to find! Do or do not. There is no try. - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Kane said: That's a gem of a find! Did you pluck that from the benches, or was it just maddeningly lying around, weathered out, just waiting for you to come and pick it up? 2 hours ago, crinus said: Mr Shamalama, Did you doubt that I was correct on the pygidium? I knew it was there. The cephalon and thorax were there so there was no doubt about the pygidium. Now aren't you glad I gave you are hard time about you dumping corals on top of this specimen. I can't imagine what would have happened if you left it in the baggie with the corals. This is a beautiful specimen. And yes, I am jealous. Especially since it was right next to my foot. @Kane, It was sitting in the boot print of Crinus which was just below where he was sitting. He challenged me to find a Trilobite, so I did. And I didn't doubt you @crinus , I just thought it was funny how the two of you were arguing. BTW, thanks for the study piece from Bowmanville too. 2 hours ago, doushantuo said: hot dee ay enn gee!! Nifty! Phacops iowaensis???? edit:so awrite,I haven't got Delo @doushantuo Nice, I don't know that I'd ever seen the literature for it. I corrected my spelling too, took out the "a" in Iowa. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Sorry to nitpick, but the thread title should be edited. ALL Middle Devonian "Phacops" from North America are now: Eldredgeops Very nice find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolmt Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Scott, you are far more informed on these types of things than most of us. But I thought a few North American phacops were still up in the air. I am aware that in 1990 Struve split Phacops rana from the European type species and erected a new genus Eldredgeops for the Phacops species of eastern North America. I thought Phacops iowensis and Phacops clarksoni were still under consideration as to what genus they belong in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 That is a great find @Shamalama and the prep @Malcolmt is nothing short of exceptional. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryK Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, piranha said: Sorry to nitpick, but the thread title should be edited. ALL Middle Devonian "Phacops" from North America are now: Eldredgeops Very nice find! 53 minutes ago, Malcolmt said: Scott, you are far more informed on these types of things than most of us. But I thought a few North American phacops were still up in the air. I am aware that in 1990 Struve split Phacops rana from the European type species and erected a new genus Eldredgeops for the Phacops species of eastern North America. I thought Phacops iowensis and Phacops clarksoni were still under consideration as to what genus they belong in. @piranha and @Malcolmt The "iowensis" group of trilobites are neither a Phacops nor Eldredgeops. The "iowensis" group differs from Eldredgeops by having a post ocular area which is absent in Eldredgeops; the subocular pad is present and absent in Eldredgeops; the palpebral area is smaller than Eldredgeops and because there are fewer files in the eye, the palpebral lobe is smaller than in Eldredgeops. The "iowensis" group looks like it belongs to the Tribe Geesopini, but the origin and relation of the "iowensis" group to the Phacopids is uncertain at this time until someone revises the Phacopids of North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Shamalama said: Very happy to have found this. It is bigger than the one I found last year too! You lucky guy! Looks like you've got a lot of names to choose from until someone decides what it should be called and all of his colleagues agree with him. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Shamalama said: @Kane, It was sitting in the boot print of Crinus which was just below where he was sitting. He challenged me to find a Trilobite, so I did. From the sounds of it, the Crinus Bootprint Formation seems very productive. I wonder how many other rare specimens he has trampled. Gives an entirely different meaning to "following in another's footsteps." ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Speaking as someone who has had that happen to them, sometimes your boot actually exposes a previously covered fossil. At least, that's my excuse. Anyway I did the same thing to someone else a few weeks later, picked up a mosasaur tooth I spotted right beside their foot as we were talking. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Malcolmt said: ...I thought Phacops iowensis and Phacops clarksoni were still under consideration as to what genus they belong in. Regardless if they are under consideration, we still need a name to call them by, right? 1 hour ago, GerryK said: ...but the origin and relation of the "iowensis" group to the Phacopids is uncertain at this time until someone revises the Phacopids of North America. Until someone makes the revision and publishes, they are currently Eldredgeops iowensis. Sounds like this revision is right in your wheelhouse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, piranha said: Regardless if they are under consideration, we still need a name to call them by, right? I say we settle on "Gladys." Or perhaps, Penelope the Profusely Pustular Phacopid. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolmt Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Great alliteration... I like the name but I doubt it will stand ...... For our reference here is a link to Gerry's great post previously on the topic Rana versus eldredgeops http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/47202-phacops-vs-eldredgeops/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey P Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Congratulations Dave. The ornamentation on that trilobite is truly impressive. Very nice prep job to display it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Congratulations on the amazing find!!! Monica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Thanks Everyone for the kind comments. @piranha I have changed the all the offending names to protect the innocent. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Any chance we could see the one you found before alongside the new one? Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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