Joyce Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Hi all! Its been a while.... I'm thinking this is a scute of some kind but heck if I know what from. I've looked through the dozen + reference books I have and looked online for all the animals that might be from this location that may have a dermal scute. It does have bore holes that are not part of the original fossil. It is 2"x2.5"x0.75". I found it at Green Mill Run in NC yesterday. Thanks in advance ~ Joyce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Ray denticle? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 I can't find any known ray denticles that matches. And it is extremely thick. I have some from there and they look very different. And I've never seen one this big?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Doesn’t have the look of a scute, I have to agree with extremely strange Ray denticle “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 @MarcoSr Got any idea on this one? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, ynot said: @MarcoSr Got any idea on this one? Tony It really doesn't look geologic to me. It doesn't look like a croc scute or turtle/tortoise shell that I'm familiar with. I considered these because of the specimen size. It doesn't look like any armadillo scute that I'm familiar with. The size and features don't match any ray scute that I've ever seen. Greens Mill Run could have Pleistocene to Cretaceous fossils so there are a lot of things to consider. There are a number of interesting possibilities if it is Cretaceous. I don't know if any Cretaceous dinosaur material has been found there because the Cretaceous deposits there are marine. However, there are all kinds of wild looking dinosaur armor and scutes. Although usually the actual id is something common from the deposit. A specimen definitely worth taking to a museum to get an expert opinion. Marco Sr. "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 OK, Well maybe @Harry Pristis will have an idea. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 There actually have been very small tyrannosaurids found there that I am aware of. Who knows? Lots of possibilities. I will hang onto it. Maybe I can get in touch with the folks from the Smithsonian at some point. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Joyce said: There actually have been very small tyrannosaurids found there that I am aware of. Who knows? Lots of possibilities. I will hang onto it. Maybe I can get in touch with the folks from the Smithsonian at some point. Thank you! Wait for a few days for more members to see this, Someone on here may know what it is, but has not seen it yet. Not all members are logged in every day. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I have only heard of 1 dinosaur tooth coming out of GMR, it was a well water worn Tyrannosaurid tooth. The few Cretaceous exposures that do produce dinosaur material in N.C. seem to be members of the Black Creek Group; the Tarheel, Bladen and Donoho Creek Formations. There is not much information as to what Cretaceous exposures there are in GMR, but I do believe it is mainly PeeDee Formation. With that said, all of the dino material found here in N.C. is most likely "bloat and float". As far as your find, I have never seen anything like it. To me, the fact that it is rounded on both sides (for lack of better words) makes me think it is not any kind of a dermal denticle or scute. Maybe, @Al Dente @Troodon can help. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 @Harry Pristis I found a denticle near it and it is extremely different. That's why I couldn't just let it go with that. I can't help but be intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I am as baffled as anyone. This (apparent) osteoderm doesn't display characteristics of any of the typicals. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 It is a dermal denticle from Dasyatis centroura. It is from the Pliocene Yorktown Formation. I’ll post some pictures later this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 comparative picture from Full reference : R. W. Purdy, V. P. Schneider, S. P. Applegate, J. H. McLellan, R. L. Meyer and B. H. Slaughter. 2001. The Neogene sharks, rays, and bony fishes from Lee Creek Mine, Aurora, North Carolina. Smithsonian Contributions to Paleobiology 90:71-202 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Here are a couple that I found at Lee Creek. I've seen many from Greens Mill Run that are black like Joyce's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 As with photos shown, I've just never seen one this big and having a rounded bottom. Typical ray pieces are flat on the bottom, correct? @Al Dente do you think this is some kind of anomaly? @Al Dente we seem to have posted at the same time. Thank you for example. That definitely clears things up! Thanks to everyone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Joyce said: As with photos shown, I've just never seen one this big and having a rounded bottom. Typical ray pieces are flat on the bottom, correct? @Al Dente do you think this is some kind of anomaly? I think a rounded bottom is normal for the large ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 @Al Dente Thank you again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 12 hours ago, Al Dente said: Here are a couple that I found at Lee Creek. I've seen many from Greens Mill Run that are black like Joyce's. well you learn something every day Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 @sixgill pete@Harry Pristis Isn't that the truth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace river rat Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 PRR scratches head and eats popcorn, looking forward to the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyce Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 @Peace river rat It was answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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