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Arizona, Redwall limestone, Mooney member. 

I've found several examples of what look like plants but because they are around crinoids I'm thinking possibly crinoid arms. Anyone know what these are?

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Maybe they are eroded crinoid holdfast parts.

 

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1 hour ago, abyssunder said:

Maybe they are eroded crinoid holdfast parts.

 

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I don't think this applies to these fossils however this definitely answers my next question to other fossils found the same day!  Thank you very much. 

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3 hours ago, FossilDAWG said:

I suspect they are cross sections of bryozoans.

 

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Thanks,  I hadn't considered that at all. I found several bryozoans the same day but I don't see how that can be this at all, the cross sections are very thin, like 1/16th inch with a totally predictable pattern. This has what looks like a vein in the middle of a 1/4 inch wide leaf with little veins coming out on each side. Even the stem going to each "leaf" is about 1/8 inch wide with tiny hairs. That's much thicker than what I thought bryozoans are. If you have a picture of bryozoan that resembles this I would love to see it. 

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It's a very intriguing specimen!
Other possibilities resembling the specimen(s) in question might be my far guesses: Crinoid (or similar) arms (if it was not ruled out from the beginnig), sea cucumbers (which came to my mind) not leaving the echinoderm realm. :)

 

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I just cleaned up a crinoid on its side that I found today. I see similarities. I'm now leaning towards the fossil being crinoid stems on their side going in and out of the rock, unless anyone is confident in it being something else.

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crinoid stems - Martin Formation / Redwall Limestone

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crinoid holdfast - Aigu Beds, Estonia

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crinoid root system (holdfast) - Waldron Shale, Indiana

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2 minutes ago, abyssunder said:

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crinoid stems - Martin Formation / Redwall Limestone

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crinoid holdfast - Aigu Beds, Estonia

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crinoid root system (holdfast) - Waldron Shale, Indiana

Excellent! I see what you mean and I think you are absolutely right, not only that this also explains patterns in the large pieces of limestone on my property that are too worn to even be sure they were fossils. Thank you for taking the time to find that! Much appreciated. 

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just two more images of crinoid root system, these ones having also portions revealing the internal structure:

 

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