ynot Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Hey Hi Boys and Girls, Ladies and gentlemen, and all others! I have noticed that the phrase "It is just a rock" is used quite often when a non fossil rock is posted for an ID. I think that this is a bad choice of wording that can cause confusion. Most fossils and all trace fossils can be described as being just a rock also. (lithified life) I humbly request that We refrain from using this terminology to describe a non fossil rock. Regards, Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Good point, @ynot. I've been guilty of having used that phrase on occasion in the past, so your point is very well taken. It is better if we can be more precise (such as in calling something a concretion, a piece of oolite, etc.). In future, perhaps instead of saying "just a rock" we can say "not a fossil." And, of course, for our geology-savvy members who enjoy collecting rocks and minerals in general (whether or not they are fossils), I suppose calling a non-fossil "just a rock" sounds kind of pejorative since even non-fossil rocks are interesting. We don't want to diminish or disparage those who take delight in collecting non-fossil rocks and minerals. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just to do some nit picking, We should also refrain from saying it is "geological". Paleontology is a specialization of the larger field of geology, just like volcanology, mineralogy and sedimentology. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Unfortunately, not all of us have a great vocabulary for geologic terms. If refraining from using "rock", is there a better term we should use? I don't know much about geological terms or types of rocks. Hard to put a correct name to things, sometimes. Also, geologic rather than biologic in origin makes sense to me. I think that should be used as the qualifier. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM - APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Unfortunately, not all of us have a great vocabulary for geologic terms. If refraining from using "rock", is there a better term we should use? I don't know much about geological terms or types of rocks. Hard to put a correct name to things, sometimes. Also, geologic rather than biologic in origin makes sense to me. I think that should be used as the qualifier. I think that "a non fossil rock" works well, but there is nothing wrong with saying "geologic rather than biological", it works just as well. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Unfortunately, not all of us have a great vocabulary for geologic terms. If refraining from using "rock", is there a better term we should use? I don't know much about geological terms or types of rocks. Hard to put a correct name to things, sometimes. Also, geologic rather than biologic in origin makes sense to me. I think that should be used as the qualifier. I have to agree with Tim on this. I could not tell you one type of "rock" from another for the most part. However, I normally will not post a reply if I cannot offer something more than "sorry, it's just a rock" To me, that really adds nothing to the discussion. I will sometimes after seeing someones post that offers something concrete; agree or disagree, but only when I feel strongly about their response. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, ynot said: Hey Hi Boys and Girls, Ladies and gentlemen, and all others! I have noticed that the phrase "It is just a rock" is used quite often when a non fossil rock is posted for an ID. I think that this is a bad choice of wording that can cause confusion. Most fossils and all trace fossils can be described as being just a rock also. (lithified life) I humbly request that We refrain from using this terminology to describe a non fossil rock. Regards, Tony Yes, agreed. And to those of us who are also rockhounds, dismissing our treasures as “just a rock” is discouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 31 minutes ago, Sagebrush Steve said: Yes, agreed. And to those of us who are also rockhounds, dismissing our treasures as “just a rock” is discouraging. How does " just a plain 'ol not very interesting, blasé, would never make it on my shelf, not even fit for the garden, why'd you even pick it up, definately Leaverite type of rock" work for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 "It's a very interesting/ pretty object, but I don't think it's a fossil, i'm afraid." And then the explanation if you have one. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediospirifer Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, caldigger said: How does " just a plain 'ol not very interesting, blasé, would never make it on my shelf, not even fit for the garden, why'd you even pick it up, definately Leaverite type of rock" work for you? 3 hours ago, ynot said: Hey Hi Boys and Girls, Ladies and gentlemen, and all others! I have noticed that the phrase "It is just a rock" is used quite often when a non fossil rock is posted for an ID. I think that this is a bad choice of wording that can cause confusion. Most fossils and all trace fossils can be described as being just a rock also. (lithified life) I humbly request that We refrain from using this terminology to describe a non fossil rock. Regards, Tony As someone who collects minerals as well as fossils, I agree. "Water-worn piece of (limestone, chert, etc.)" is better than "just a rock". I do have to say, the phrase reminds me of something overheard at one of my mineral club's Open House events. An elderly woman with a walker came in with a younger man (possibly her son or grandson), walked one circuit of the room, looked briefly (maybe 2 seconds!) at each of the tables our members had set up, and walked out. A she was leaving, a fellow Club member heard her say to her companion "What's so interesting about a rock?" My friend's comment to me: "Boy, are YOU in the wrong room!" My response: "Boy, are you in the wrong MUSEUM!" The event was at the Museum of the Earth, in Ithaca NY. A wonderful place for learning what's so interesting about rocks, if you take the time to actually read anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I just want to show off my mineral collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 51 minutes ago, caldigger said: How does " just a plain 'ol not very interesting, blasé, would never make it on my shelf, not even fit for the garden, why'd you even pick it up, definately Leaverite type of rock" work for you? That describes most of what I find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I guess I'll just have to start calling it a stone now Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, caldigger said: I just want to show off my mineral collection. 1 hour ago, Ludwigia said: I guess I'll just have to start calling it a stone now John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Ludwigia said: I guess I'll just have to start calling it a stone now You can only use that term if it is the corect size! Rock/stone classification.... clay, silt, sand, pebble, gravel, stone, rock, cobble, boulder, monolith, batholith, continent and planet. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 53 minutes ago, ynot said: You can only use that term if it is the corect size! Rock/stone classification.... clay, silt, sand, pebble, gravel, stone, rock, cobble, boulder, monolith, batholith, continent and planet. Gotcha! Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 hours ago, ynot said: You can only use that term if it is the corect size! Rock/stone classification.... clay, silt, sand, pebble, gravel, stone, rock, cobble, boulder, monolith, batholith, continent and planet. Good one.. I would have thought gravel was a mix of anything from sand up to pebble or cobble size, and that rock/stone is any size (or maybe more a description of the material the piece is made of?). I wonder how many of us collect minerals as well as fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Wrangellian said: Good one.. I would have thought gravel was a mix of anything from sand up to pebble or cobble size, and that rock/stone is any size (or maybe more a description of the material the piece is made of?). I wonder how many of us collect minerals as well as fossils. As far as I know the boundary on most is a pretty subjective gray area. Rock and stone are also used as a material descriptive adjective. A boulder, pebble, cobble or batholith can also be a rock/stone. It can be quite confusing. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Yes, language is always so inexact unless you lay down definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 This is a piece of "rock" that allowed inferences to be made about geodynamic events in the Mesoproterozoic of the USA Every rock tells a story of the processes and material budgets of the atmosphere,lithosphere,hydrosphere and biosphere,and how these large domains interact over time Even the mere presence of a rock is informative... Why has not it been subducted,or eroded,chemically or physically modified? Has it always been where it is now,if not,why not? What were the processes and agents of formation,modification,transport? Rocks are parts of lithologies,which have a very specific distribution in time and space,usually. If found outside of that usual distributional pattern,why is that so? etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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