Kasia Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 A new discovery from the Down Under http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/qld/2017/12/07/marsupial-lion-queensland/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Great article! Thanks for posting. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I agree, a very interesting read. Thank you! Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimTexan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 How do they determine it is a marsupial from just a skull, teeth and a humerus? Are there characteristics in just these few parts of the skeleton or do they just assume they were marsupial based on location? I know the monotremes, like the platapus have structural differences in their jaws structure and other parts that can help distinguish them from other mammalian groups, but I don’t know about marsupials. Surely they don’t base it on location, because Australia does have native mammalian species. I’m just curious. Maybe @Ash or @Jesuslover340 can enlighten me. Do you know what skeletal differences marsupials have that can enable identification as a marsupial from just a skull, teeth and humerus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, KimTexan said: How do they determine it is a marsupial from just a skull, teeth and a humerus? Are there characteristics in just these few parts of the skeleton or do they just assume they were marsupial based on location? I know the monotremes, like the platapus have structural differences in their jaws structure and other parts that can help distinguish them from other mammalian groups, but I don’t know about marsupials. Surely they don’t base it on location, because Australia does have native mammalian species. I’m just curious. Maybe @Ash or @Jesuslover340 can enlighten me. Do you know what skeletal differences marsupials have that can enable identification as a marsupial from just a skull, teeth and humerus? The teeth of marsupials are easy to tell apart from other groups of mammals to the trained eye. And believe it or not, thylacoleo and related species have teeth surprisingly similar to macropods. Also things like the large forward-facing incisors, which are a characteristic of diprotodontidae. I'm sure there are many other reasons that Ash or Jesuslover340 can explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 19 hours ago, KimTexan said: How do they determine it is a marsupial from just a skull, teeth and a humerus? Are there characteristics in just these few parts of the skeleton or do they just assume they were marsupial based on location? I know the monotremes, like the platapus have structural differences in their jaws structure and other parts that can help distinguish them from other mammalian groups, but I don’t know about marsupials. Surely they don’t base it on location, because Australia does have native mammalian species. I’m just curious. Maybe @Ash or @Jesuslover340 can enlighten me. Do you know what skeletal differences marsupials have that can enable identification as a marsupial from just a skull, teeth and humerus? Well, your marsupials are considered to have a more 'primitive' dentition. Marsupials are grouped into two groups accordingly-polyprotodonts (possums and bandicoots) and diprotodonts (wombats and diprotodon). Polyprotodonts have four or more upper incisor teeth; diprotodonts have two (placentals also typically have four, but the following should define further differences). Furthermore, marsupials tend to have three premolars and four molars (many also have reduced canines), whereas placentals have the opposite: four premolars and three molars lining the maxilla and dentary. Placentals also have second generation dentition; placentals only replace a few select teeth. There's specific dentition differences between your macropods and again between your diprotodontids such as Diprotodon, Eowenia, Zygomaturus, etc., but the above should adequately explain the dentition differences between placentals and marsupials, at least So in answer, yes, you can determine between marsupials and placentals given the skull and dentition, at least. Mammal dentition is diagnostic- usually to a species level- as a general rule of thumb. Humeri...not so much unless it is associated with an identifiable dentition, though they can indicate the common movement of an animal (and by extension, its lifestyle). Hope this helps "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 What she said ^ "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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