Macrophyseter Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I've just visited this hill directly north of the Trump National Golf Course (yes, the president owned a golf course in my city ) which I was told by a museum docent had fossil fish scales. Here's what I found which could possibly be fish scale fossils, but I need a full confirmation on this. Some notes -All three rocks are associated- they were all part of a giant piece of shale rock which was broken into pieces when I found it. -The "fish scales" are a more darker or orange brown. -I think I was unable to capture the best possible detail due to the absence of natural lighting which made details more camouflaged. -Each "fish scale" lie on only one layer, throwing off the possibility of it being a crystal. -The black stuff are dendrites or a similar type. -Found in the Palos Verdes Hills, directly north of the Trump National Golf Course. Rock 1 Rock 2 Rock 3 Is this my first ever fossil find or another bust? If you're a fossil nut from Palos Verdes, San Pedro, Redondo Beach, or Torrance, feel free to shoot me a PM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The rock looks like a volcanic ash and the orange areas look like plant debris to Me. Better detailed pictures may change that opinion. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macrophyseter Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, ynot said: The rock looks like a volcanic ash and the orange areas look like plant debris to Me. The rock is shale, but for some reason when I also look at the picture I don't feel like it looks sedimentary, probably something with the camera's focus. This is the most detailed I can get for now. If you're a fossil nut from Palos Verdes, San Pedro, Redondo Beach, or Torrance, feel free to shoot me a PM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I still think the orange areas look like plant debris. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 so shale wouldn't be sedimentary? Underneath:A strictly morphological classification of fish scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macrophyseter Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, doushantuo said: so shale wouldn't be sedimentary? No, I meant that the focus of the camera made the rock look unlike shale, but let's just drop that because I feel like this misunderstanding might start a pointless shale debate, and thanks for the article! 19 minutes ago, ynot said: I still think the orange areas look like plant debris. But fish scales or plant debris, its still a fossil, right? That means I probably found my first ever fossil find! If you're a fossil nut from Palos Verdes, San Pedro, Redondo Beach, or Torrance, feel free to shoot me a PM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, doushantuo said: so shale wouldn't be sedimentary? Isn't that the way it usually works? Edit Whoops I misread the statement. Dyslexia strikes again. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Macro,you're right.Closer inspection of your post makes me think i totally misunderstood it.We're all human,right? BTW:your enthousiasm is infectious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Macrophyseter said: But fish scales or plant debris, its still a fossil, right? That means I probably found my first ever fossil find! Congrats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Here is a geologic map of the Palos Verdes Peninsula. Depending on where exactly you were, your specimens might come from the Altimira Shale. https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1050/Geology.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Macrophyseter said: No, I meant that the focus of the camera made the rock look unlike shale, but let's just drop that because I feel like this misunderstanding might start a pointless shale debate, and thanks for the article! But fish scales or plant debris, its still a fossil, right? That means I probably found my first ever fossil find! I'm trying to remember if I've ever been part of a pointless shale debate (maybe when I was in college): In any case check this book: https://www.amazon.com/fossils-palos-verdes-hills-cocke/dp/149515534X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1512983951&sr=8-1&keywords=palos+verdes+fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 19 hours ago, Macrophyseter said: But fish scales or plant debris, its still a fossil, right? That means I probably found my first ever fossil find! From what I can see, I would say they are fossils! This looks interesting too. It doesn't look shiny enough for a ganoid scale, but it does have potential Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macrophyseter Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Thanks guys! Also, today I found another associated piece which I forgot about in my bag. This time, there is something that kinda looks like a potential scale. Any opinions? If you're a fossil nut from Palos Verdes, San Pedro, Redondo Beach, or Torrance, feel free to shoot me a PM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Not well versed in fish scales but that sure looks like one to Me. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 caveat:laboratory-reared specimen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 below: detailed histology of gar scale(Sire,Anat.Rec./1994) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Oh yeah, congratulations on Your first fossil find! Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Sorry to be such a party pooper, but I find all of the photos don't show enough detail for me to be able to make a proper judgement on whether they are fish, plant, mineral or something completely different. If I were you, I'd show them to your museum docent for confirmation. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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