MeargleSchmeargl Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Hello again, Paleo friends! It's been a while. It was way back in my July trip to Summerville that I got this 2 14/16" horse tooth from the Hawthorne, the same formation producing the Megs in the area. Finally got around to finding an image compressor so I could actually show y'all: Flip side: Grinding surface: Root side (kinda blurry though): What do you guys have? Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 You appear to have an Equus sp. right m3. How are you confident that this tooth is out of the Hawthorn FM . . . it has the appearance of a river find which would make it "float" of uncertain origin. Equus is a mainly Pleistocene taxon, not found in the Miocene Hawthorn. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Harry Pristis said: You appear to have an Equus sp. right m3. How are you confident that this tooth is out of the Hawthorn FM . . . it has the appearance of a river find which would make it "float" of uncertain origin. Equus is a mainly Pleistocene taxon, not found in the Miocene Hawthorn. The tooth was found coming out of the same formation that the Megalodon teeth were coming from. I found it jutting out of the matrix in almost the exact same spot I found my complete Meg (no pics related though). Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Peace River, Pleistocene not Miocene "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Equus upper cheek teeth - Pleistocene Equus premolars - Pleistocene (lower premolar on left; upper premolar on right) Equus lower cheek teeth - Pleistocene Here are a few of the dozens of Equus teeth that I've collected from the Trinity River Pleistocene sands and gravels in Dallas County, Texas. I'm with Harry on this one...as far as I know, Equus is not found in Miocene deposits. There are other various 'equids' found in sediments of that age, however. Unfortunately, for some reason I can't see MeargleSchmeargle's pictures. -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, Fruitbat said: Equus upper cheek teeth - Pleistocene Equus premolars - Pleistocene (lower premolar on left; upper premolar on right) Equus lower cheek teeth - Pleistocene Here are a few of the dozens of Equus teeth that I've collected from the Trinity River Pleistocene sands and gravels in Dallas County, Texas. I'm with Harry on this one...as far as I know, Equus is not found in Miocene deposits. There are other various 'equids' found in sediments of that age, however. Unfortunately, for some reason I can't see MeargleSchmeargle's pictures. -Joe I did find it in the same formation as the Megs (it was sticking out of the Hawthorne root side out). I'm guessing the material from pleistocene matrix got mixed in with the Hawthorne where I was, or something like that. That's the only explanation I can come up with. Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I don't doubt that for a second! That was Harry's thought as well. Quote it has the appearance of a river find which would make it "float" of uncertain origin. Equus is a mainly Pleistocene taxon I'm not personally familiar with the formations in your area (and I still can't see your pictures) so I'm really not equipped to make any comments other than the one I already have. -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Fruitbat said: I don't doubt that for a second! That was Harry's thought as well. I'm not personally familiar with the formations in your area (and I still can't see your pictures) so I'm really not equipped to make any comments other than the one I already have. -Joe Not exactly "my" area. Live more than 200 miles away from Summerville. Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 "Show us your equus teeth" All horsing aside, have a great Christmas everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, caldigger said: "Show us your equus teeth" All horsing aside, have a great Christmas everybody! (slow clap intensifies) Well played, well played. Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Herb said: Peace River Herb . . . If this is an Equus tooth, and it likely is, it is neither Miocene in age nor is it a lower molar. It's an upper. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Ah...so it's incisors we want now, is it....okay... Equus incisors - Pleistocene Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Thanks, Harry, It's Pleistocene, I forgot the label was wrong. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Many vertebrate fossils are concentrated in lag deposits. In fact, if there is a concentration of separated vertebrate fossil elements it is almost certainly a lag deposit. Lags form at breaks in deposition so that the erosion at the top of the Hawthorne that concentrated the vertebrate material at Summerville would contain Hawthorne fossils eroded from that formation and other fossils from subsequent ages as well. This would depend on when the erosion and concentration occurred of course. Around here (SE NC) we can even get lags with Cretaceous and Pleistocene concentrations where the Waccamaw Fm lays on top of the Peedee. Anything that resisted total destruction in previous erosional events and from a variety of ages may be found in the lag. Meg teeth, being large resistant clasts, are often found in these lags but there is no Miocene or Pliocene formation present. Best way of looking at this is to consider a pebble, a resistant clast, being found in a concentration in a lag deposit and our vertebrate fossils are only fellow resistant clasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Siphuncle Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 My best horse teeth. Grüße, Daniel A. Wöhr aus Südtexas "To the motivated go the spoils." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Sorry I'm slow as always, but are the O.P. teeth gone, or I can't see them? The response when I click the images is: "The file you were looking for could not be found". " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, abyssunder said: Sorry I'm slow as always, but are the O.P. teeth gone, or I can't see them? They're right here! Oh...I thought you said Opie teeth. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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