Kutembea Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Hi! I found a skull online, and think it looks great. But I'm not sure if it is a skull from a modern horse, or if it is a fossil skull. Can you see if it looks modern or very old? Cause I can't decide of my own if it is a "to good to be truth" skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Just now, Kutembea said: Hi! I found a skull online, and think it looks great. But I'm not sure if it is a skull from a modern horse, or if it is a fossil skull. Can you see if it looks modern or very old? Cause I can't decide of my own if it is a "to good to be truth" skull. Need pictures. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutembea Posted December 26, 2017 Author Share Posted December 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, ynot said: Need pictures. Oh, something went wrong. They didn't show up, but fixed it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Just now, Kutembea said: Oh, something went wrong. They didn't show up, but fixed it now. Something in the software causes multiple submissions. It will be reduced to one thread when the moderators see them. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Looks modern to Me, but wait for others to reply. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 It looks modern to me also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Looks modern to me also. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 I vote modern. RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Modern for me too. What do you think Harry? @Harry Pristis John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, JohnBrewer said: Modern for me too. What do you think Harry? @Harry Pristis Any bit wear on P2 ? The probability is that it is a modern horse, I suppose; but, it is impossible from images to say for certain. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Usually the test to differentiate modern bone from fossil bone is the flame test. But then again if you found the skull online with just pictures of it that's gonna be hard to do. And asking the seller to take a video of him doing, you can already be sure he/she will refuse (and I don't blame that seller!). Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginkgojerry Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I live in Yukon and I can assure you it's not so easy. We have lots of fossils being simply unfrozen from the permafrost each year by gold miners. That's right... they are frozen in the ground. Sometimes we find prehistoric horses with hair and skin and meat on them. They look just like something that died months ago or a previous season. The best way to tell is contact the paleo guys here at the government of Yukon.ca .... show them your photos and they could tell you if it's a modern animal or not because they know their mammals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Whether it comes from thawing the permafrost or not, for me the fact is that it does not appear to be fossilized. I do not know if this seems to be the case here, but I do know many collectors who only collect fossilized animals and plants. But I admit I also know collectors who specialize in everything that comes from the thawing of permafrost. Further, I believe it is the seller's obligation to inform the buyer whether the material is fossilized or not. Note: A great example of this is the @Tidgy's Dad that has disappeared, and this does not mean that it is fossilized! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, Seguidora-de-Isis said: Whether it comes from thawing the permafrost or not, for me the fact is that it does not appear to be fossilized. I do not know if this seems to be the case here, but I do know many collectors who only collect fossilized animals and plants. But I admit I also know collectors who specialize in everything that comes from the thawing of permafrost. Further, I believe it is the seller's obligation to inform the buyer whether the material is fossilized or not. Note: A great example of this is the @Tidgy's Dad that has disappeared, and this does not mean that it is fossilized! I'm here! I'm here! Not fossilized yet, i don't think! Looks modern to me. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 @Max-fossilsNot sure if a flame test would even work if it is claimed to be from the permafrost, subfossils can and do have organic material. I vote modern for what it’s worth. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Seguidora-de-Isis said: I believe it is the seller's obligation to inform the buyer whether the material is fossilized or not. Good luck with that. Some of the worst will label anything as a fossil if they think it will sell. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, ynot said: Good luck with that. Some of the worst will label anything as a fossil if they think it will sell. Is not true! For me, my mother-in-law is a fossil, but I do not want to sell her anyway! Whoever wishes, I give away free! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Seguidora-de-Isis said: Is not true! For me, my mother-in-law is a fossil, but I do not want to sell her anyway! Whoever wishes, I give away free! Be careful!!!.. You may start needing a food and wine taster like the ancient kings. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: Be careful!!!.. You may start needing a food and wine taster like the ancient kings. I promise to think deeply about this, for such a possibility has not occurred to me! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead9 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 A difficult question. Modern equus evolved millions of years ago. A fossil does not have to be mineralized to be a fossil. It simply has to have lived before the Holocene. This horse could have died hundreds of thousands of years ago, been frozen in permafrost and while the bone would still be bone, it technically would be a fossil. Then again it could have died 50 years ago, been buried in leaves, and stained brown by tannins. Tough call. Still Life Fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginkgojerry Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, steelhead9 said: A difficult question. Modern equus evolved millions of years ago. A fossil does not have to be mineralized to be a fossil. It simply has to have lived before the Holocene. This horse could have died hundreds of thousands of years ago, been frozen in permafrost and while the bone would still be bone, it technically would be a fossil. Then again it could have died 50 years ago, been buried in leaves, and stained brown by tannins. Tough call. Yes, thanks steelhead, for saying it again. that's my point. It's easy and not an issue when it's a mastodon or mammoth tusk. Easy to see it's not modern. The poster should read then state the sellers description... location of find, and estimated age. Would save the forum a lot of time. And even help us direct you to where you might find specialist professionals. Having said that, often these placer miners know nothing about fossils. They simply throw all the bones they find into a pile. At the end of the season a government paleo guy comes and collects them up. Sometimes the miners try their luck on ebay. Its a challenge in this forum to post a photo alone then have us all comment in circles. Sure, it's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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