Shellseeker Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Have not been out frequently this month, so here are finds from a couple of weeks back. These finds are small..... but outstanding!!! Any time, I get a couple of pristine and/or unusual fossils, I am ecstatic. I love the small Meg, but these outstanding posterior tiger teeth are a first for me at this level of quality.. I did not know they had so many serrations.... right out of a karst_clay like mixture. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Jenkins Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Nice, are these all from the Peace & it's tributaries? What type of Vert do you think that its? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbshark Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Great colors on that Mako Jack, and can’t beat the condition on that posterior meg and tigers Every once in a great while it's not just a big rock down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrieder79 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Love the little postie. Thanks for sharing. Luck is the most important skill of a fossil diver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimravis Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Very nice finds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Calvin Jenkins said: Nice, are these all from the Peace & it's tributaries? What type of Vert do you think that its? Can't say thats what it is, but I think I remember mention in a thread a while back that sawfish have oblong vertebrae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Calvin Jenkins said: Nice, are these all from the Peace & it's tributaries? What type of Vert do you think that its? Ken, @digit , while searching for oval fish verts, I tracked to sawfish, then eagle ray, then did a search for Squatina. Found: and We always get expert opinions on TFF, and in this case tripplely true.... Calvin, I think it is a ray vert,, Let's see what Ken thinks... 99% of my hunting is in Peace River watershed. We are blessed to be so close to such treasures. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Ooooo, lovin' that Mako, Jack! ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Hey Jack, nice finds!...Hoping you are able to track down the vert ID as I had a few recently that I never did fully track down and one that is similar to yours....I saw some photos for Tuna (Thunnus sp.) that got me excited but never confirmed anything. I'll track this thread and hope someone nails it for you. Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 8 hours ago, caldigger said: Can't say thats what it is, but I think I remember mention in a thread a while back that sawfish have oblong vertebrae. Jack’s vert is from a bony fish, not sure on the species. Sawfish have nice round vertebral centra that lack foramina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieira Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Nice finds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 As the Germans often say, "Klein aber fein" ! Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNCollector Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 That is a ray vert. I have one from the Cretaceous almost just like it. Nice finds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 hours ago, TNCollector said: That is a ray vert. I have one from the Cretaceous almost just like it. Nice finds. I’m interested in seeing your Cretaceous ray vert and how you identified it. I think Jack’s vert is from a bony fish based on the numerous foramina and bony processes. I haven’t seen any Neogene ray verts the are flattened like this. Bony fish verts are commonly flattened or oval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNCollector Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Al Dente said: I’m interested in seeing your Cretaceous ray vert and how you identified it. I think Jack’s vert is from a bony fish based on the numerous foramina and bony processes. I haven’t seen any Neogene ray verts the are flattened like this. Bony fish verts are commonly flattened or oval. Here is a picture of mine, I identified it using Plate 6, Figure 3a from: Paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 27 minutes ago, TNCollector said: Here is a picture of mine, I identified it using Plate 6, Figure 3a from: Paper I think you identified yours correctly, it looks like the Cretaceous ray Brachyrhizodus. Notice the lack of bony processes on your specimen. Jack's has bony processes and is from a bony fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Hey Jack, I went back to see what I had on the fish verts after seeing what the others said--didnt have much. Here's the couple of the verts I was talking about that I have-somewhat similar. The darker one on the left from Desoto cnty is about 27mm wide. 4 different views of both. The one on the right from Manatee Cnty has an interesting depression that I'm not sure is diagnostic or not. Cant tell if yours has that feature or not in your pics. Here's an interesting reference that Bobby authored showing a Thunnus find in similar aged sediments out west. Page 19 has a picture. http://www.palarch.nl/wp-content/Boessenecker_RW_2011_A_New_Marine_Vertebrate_Assemblage_from_the_Late_Neogene_Purisima_Formation_in_Central_California_PJVP_8_4.pdf Here's another interesting reference about billfish and vert damage....Look at page 254 for some vert pics. Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 24(1):253-255, March 2004 NOTE FOSSIL TUNA VERTEBRAE PUNCTURED BY ISTIOPHORID BILLFISHES VINCENT P. SCHNEIDER' and HARRY L. FIERSTIN£2 http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1060&context=bio_fac I'm not sure If UF has got a fossil fish expert or not now, may want to ask Hulbert. ..good luck if you want to chase it more...Could also be some others that have yet to see this might also be able to validate so I'll give this another bump. Right now both of mine are listed as fish...lol... Again, nice finds...I like particularly seeing the odd different stuff! Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I've long believed that this Peace River fossil is a ray vertebra. For comparison: http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 13 hours ago, Plantguy said: I'm not sure If UF has got a fossil fish expert or not now, may want to ask Hulbert. ..good luck if you want to chase it more...Could also be some others that have yet to see this might also be able to validate so I'll give this another bump. Right now both of mine are listed as fish...lol... Again, nice finds...I like particularly seeing the odd different stuff! Regards, Chris Chris, Thanks for the bump.. You have provided some interesting references and it is so satisfying to identify an unknown vert. 3 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: I've long believed that this Peace River fossil is a ray vertebra. Harry, Nice photos... Mine certainly looks like a match and mine does come from a Peace River feeder creek. What does the oval type of vert imply..body shape like Squatina or eagle ray? Does the fish have both round and oval verts or just oval? I do have some verts from the Peace that I thought were Sawfish and definitely round. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 This thread discusses shark, ray and bony fish centra- http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/48187-shark-vert-vs-fish-vert/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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