Max-fossils Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Hi all, So I just purchased this nice huge scallop for a killer price. Though not complete, i still love it. Its from the quarry of Lacoste, in Vaucluse, Southern France. From the Miocene. Well, it was sold to me as Chlamys latissima, but in some of my books it mentions Chlamys gigantea instead. So I was wondering, what species is it? Oh, also, does anyone know more precisely how old the scallop is, and what formation it is from? Thanks in advance! Max Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I say Chesapecten Jeffersonius. Comparison: Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, MeargleSchmeargl said: I say Chesapecten Jeffersonius. Comparison: Doesn’t appear in France Thanks for the help though. Are these your finds? Because those are great scallops! I’m sure that mine is a Chlamys species (unless the species recently got moved to another genus). Just not sure which one. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I have similar fossil clamys latissima . But it is a guess to your is. Also mine is from France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, Max-fossils said: Doesn’t appear in France Thanks for the help though. Are these your finds? Because those are great scallops! I’m sure that mine is a Chlamys species (unless the species recently got moved to another genus). Just not sure which one. Can Chesapecten be found over there in France? They look strikingly similar. Then again I've only made an educated guess. Not very familiar with France or Bivalves in general. Also, I have a Jeffersonius specimen, but it's not a very good one, unfortunately... Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Genus: Chlamys latissima sp. Age: Cenozoic Era, Miocene Period; Burdigalian/Aquitanian Stages, around 23 to 15 million years ago Origin: Lacoste quarries near Marseilles, Bollene, Vaucluse, south east France, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daleksec Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Chesapectens only occur in Eastern United States, there genus range from the Miocene to the Pliocene Chesapecten Nefrens from the Miocene are the type specimens of the Genus Chesapecten named by Ward and Blackwelder in 1975. Chesapecten Jeffersonius only occur in the Yorktown formation and are the state fossil of Virginia originally called Pecten Jeffersonius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Maybe it's a Gigantopecten restitutensis from Lacoste? 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 anybody remotely interested in(see below?): Bongrain has studied Miocene pectinids(particularly the peri-Tethyan ones) for quite a while now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 @MeargleSchmeargl @Bobby Rico @Daleksec @Ludwigia @doushantuo Alright, so first of all thanks all for the help. Indeed, Chesapecten is an American genus and can't be found in Europe. But Roger's new suggestion, Gigantopecten restituensis, is a possibility. Now, the good news is that googling "Gigantopecten restituensis", "Chlamys lattissima", or "Chlamys gigantea" delivers similar results, so we can be sure that the three refer to the same shell species and are synonyms. The question is now: what is the accepted species? Well, I did a bit of extra research, and I think that it is Gigantopecten restituensis (Fontannes, 1884). Here is a paper by the same author as that of the paper as doushantuo suggested (by the way, it looks interesting, but I haven't found a place where I could download it for free...). This paper is free though (but in French): http://sciencepress.mnhn.fr/sites/default/files/articles/pdf/g2013n3a5.pdf The paper talks exactly about the scallop that Bobby and I have (btw Bobby that is a gorgeous one, it's complete too! If I were you I'd update the name), found most commonly in the quarry of Lacoste. And our scallops are from the upper Burdigalian stage (as said in the title of the paper), so are about 16-18 million years old. Shame though that it doesn't mention what the formation is (unless I searched for the wrong word. Although my French is good, my French fossil-vocab is very bad...). Well, I guess the biggest thanks go to Roger for mentioning the correct species name. Wouldn't have been able to find the paper otherwise And obviously thanks to everyone else too! Max 1 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Thanks @Max-fossils I will do that. Good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Bobby Rico said: Thanks @Max-fossils I will do that. Good work. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Max-fossils said: Shame though that it doesn't mention what the formation is (unless I searched for the wrong word. Although my French is good, my French fossil-vocab is very bad...). As far as I understand it, the French still don't seem to take Formations as seriously as in other parts of the world, so it doesn't surprise me at all that you haven't been able to find anything. 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, Ludwigia said: As far as I understand it, the French still don't seem to take Formations as seriously as in other parts of the world, so it doesn't surprise me at all that you haven't been able to find anything. Ok. A real shame though... Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Max-fossils said: Ok. A real shame though... "Le Calcaire de Lacoste" is probably the best you can do when it comes to the lithology. 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marguy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I discover this subject too late, but I confirm the identification and indications by Ludwigia (Calcaire de Lacoste). the other publication (Courville et Bongrain) concerns other conditions of deposit and a different region, it would not have contributed correctly to the subject ( but it seems interesting and appropriate for the Touraine faluns, thank you Doushantuo) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 @Ludwigia Alright thanks @marguy ok merci pour les clarifications Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marguy Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Some more pictures : http://geologie.mnhn.fr/pecten.html http://www.geoforum.fr/topic/27458-preparation-dun-bloc-de-pecten-du-vaucluse/ http://www.vonloga.net/fossilien/lacoste4.htm (on auction sites, you can find very high-priced slabs with dozens of Gigantopecten….[often labelled Pecten]) the old quarry is now closed, turned into an artistic site. On this video (link below) you can see the village, modern and ancient quarries, … https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/emissions/chroniques-mediterraneennes/revoir-l-emission-luberon-pierre-de-lumiere-decouverte-diffusee-le-samedi-10-mai.html the medieval village of Lacoste (Vaucluse) has hosted since 2002 a very famous American university campus, the Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD), one of the best art schools in the United States. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 6-1-2018 at 8:54 PM, marguy said: Some more pictures : http://geologie.mnhn.fr/pecten.html http://www.geoforum.fr/topic/27458-preparation-dun-bloc-de-pecten-du-vaucluse/ http://www.vonloga.net/fossilien/lacoste4.htm (on auction sites, you can find very high-priced slabs with dozens of Gigantopecten….[often labelled Pecten]) the old quarry is now closed, turned into an artistic site. On this video (link below) you can see the village, modern and ancient quarries, … https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/emissions/chroniques-mediterraneennes/revoir-l-emission-luberon-pierre-de-lumiere-decouverte-diffusee-le-samedi-10-mai.html the medieval village of Lacoste (Vaucluse) has hosted since 2002 a very famous American university campus, the Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD), one of the best art schools in the United States. Des chouettes liens, merci Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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