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Ken kem Id help part 3

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Haravex

Ok before I go any further I appreciate all the help from the forum and will always research and look up information before asking some I feel I have an idea on but need a second set of eyes and mind.

First one I thought was rebbachisauride but maybe not or it is a pathology.PSX_20180131_120426.jpg.ca78fdbc07d45c5f1e991fd7d6c1239d.jpgPSX_20180131_120404.jpg.662c53c3c7d2382e401aa3cede7af66d.jpgPSX_20180131_120338.jpg.87d1f8e5545550d2f8708c0cf981a8ac.jpg

 

This one I believe to be a pre maxila ablesauride PSX_20180131_120031.thumb.jpg.42b483928cf77dfc0b46efe8b1c51761.jpgPSX_20180131_120159.thumb.jpg.6007ec443497885a4848aa82878214e6.jpgPSX_20180131_120239.jpg.271e8807bd127966abbc787f48ab5b12.jpg

and then there are two complete limb bones the first one I suspect might be carpal however not sure and maybe turtle?

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and the second limb bone maybe a tibula?

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Tidgy's Dad

A nice lot of pieces. 

I would agree the first is a rebbachisaurid, and the turtle one looks turtle to me, for the others someone more knowledgeable than I will have to have a say. 

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Haravex

Thanks tigg I too thought rebbach but the curved tip threw me off as they are normally straight or at least what I have seen any idea on the position of the turtle in terms of anatomy wise? Again all these pieces have no id to them when bought just that they are from kem kem beds.

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Troodon

Believe this is a Premaxillary tooth of an Abelsaurid

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Your first tooth is that of an indeterminate sauropod.  Identification of these type teeth is very problematic and cannot be assigned to a genus. Reminder we do not have any skull material from any sauropod in the Kem Kem.  Best described as a Neosauropoda disregard what everyone is selling. .

 

The other bones are reptlian most likely turtle

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Haravex

Thank you for such fast and informative responses can't believe I missed that sauropod topic but very insightful. Any idea what type of turtle bones they are I.e. carpal, metatarsal, tibula ect? And again thank you will post later some possible skull element has a lot of sutures and good shape for skull candidate material.

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Haravex

Ok this is the possible skull part based on the sutures but cant place it in my mind where it would fit i know @lordtrilobite has some good knowledge and expeirance with this.PSX_20180201_152814.thumb.jpg.c810867da63ad12ff440fd97d145cffa.jpgPSX_20180201_152750.thumb.jpg.a315ff12ffa75678de25d5106611b127.jpgPSX_20180201_152732.thumb.jpg.bff98d250c0faf18375049cf5f5f9c3f.jpgPSX_20180201_152714.jpg.8a11c06e45a3279b58360685a45a0db0.jpgPSX_20180201_152655.thumb.jpg.6887e15b3f5a31931feff3bc28faa706.jpgPSX_20180201_152639.thumb.jpg.91aa2b964517271170f2d4afe8126f29.jpgPSX_20180201_152621.thumb.jpg.0b654da5a92e49ab554ed739f27b8bd0.jpg

do note that on the second and third to last picture there is a lot of matrix that is hard and will need to be prepped at home.

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Haravex

I forgot measureents along is 20cm and at widest point is 7cm

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LordTrilobite

I agree that it looks like a skull part. It's a tough one. With a long curved shape like that, maybe part of a nasal? Cleaning it up more might show better where it's broken and where there are sutures as well as the outer surface.

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Haravex

Yes I agree will have to wait until the 10th when I arrive home to clean it up however.

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Troodon

The reptilian bones are probably hand or foot and that does look like a skull element.  Like LT said cleaning and more pictures might get you some answers

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JohnBrewer
On 31/01/2018 at 12:21 PM, Haravex said:

tibula

You’re joining two bones here I think, tibia and fibula. In your example I think you mean tibia which is the larger ;) 

 

That tooth is really nice, I’ll be looking out for one of those!

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Haravex

Thanks troodons, and yes John was a little bit unwell when typing that message (That is my excuse and I'm sticking to it :ighappy:)

Anyway I think I have made the correct identification with this one but a second opinion is always welcomed 

Carchardonosaurus metatarsal PSX_20180202_155312.thumb.jpg.05443b8781c6c0ea592f0f91faeb4478.jpgPSX_20180202_155339.thumb.jpg.f4c2ba3354281f298f0a504cfd93e545.jpgPSX_20180202_155354.thumb.jpg.df33410ac09e2fbd2a68bd922a41a11e.jpgPSX_20180202_155411.thumb.jpg.2a4dcc8e73b7f92bb2a548709f0b42a5.jpgPSX_20180202_155425.thumb.jpg.26cdab0b2d3a1d6b555bb42eb4cf1608.jpgPSX_20180202_155446.thumb.jpg.f14b9f326b8abc56f327b08eaa0d1ee9.jpg

Forgot again length is 390mm

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Haravex

Also there is this vertabrae not sure if it is croc or theropod maybe @LordTrilobite can show some light on the identification.

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LordTrilobite

It's say it's a match with this caudal vert I have. I was told at the Natural History Museum in Leiden that this was dinosaur. While @Troodon says this is croc due to the curvature on the side surfaces of the dorsal spine. So I'm not quite sure yet. I think I might lean more towards croc as Troodon has a point that it looks similar. But What I find interesting is that the zygapophyses seem to be partially hollow, which makes me think of Theropod.

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Haravex

Yes I know what you mean the same parts you mention also look hollow honeycomb like structure. Would this be a dorsal vertebrae?

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westcoast
5 minutes ago, Haravex said:

Yes I know what you mean the same parts you mention also look hollow honeycomb like structure. Would this be a dorsal vertebrae?

Somebody who shall remain nameless usually jumps in around now to point out the vertebra/vertebrae issue....:)

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Haravex

This is also one of many interesting hollow bones I picked up.

 

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Haravex

There is also this one which fits the characteristics troodon described about the twist and the fine serations on the mesial side, and on the distal side the serations are stright not angled like ablesauride teeth, it is 14mm straight line.

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LordTrilobite
2 hours ago, Haravex said:

Yes I know what you mean the same parts you mention also look hollow honeycomb like structure. Would this be a dorsal vertebrae?

Mid to anterior caudal I'd say.

 

1 hour ago, Haravex said:

This is also one of many interesting hollow bones I picked up.

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Looks like a femur with the hip joint broken off.

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Troodon

I'm in the crock camp on that vert, too many wrinkles on the back edge and the spine is not flat and very perpendicular.  The only cretaceous dino vert I have around this shape a  dorsal its very smooth with sharp edges.  The spines are also flat on the flat face no ridges.

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Why do you think that tarsals is from a Carch? Size

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Troodon

That tooth looks Dromaeosaurid like and might be.

The bone does look like a femur with the condyle missing.  Looks reptilian

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Haravex

Do reptiles have hollow bones? Also again for the carchar it's size yes and also the fact it is completey hollow but maybe my understanding is wrong on this?

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Haravex

Here are some additional photographs the bag of matrix is what I carefully removed from the centre of the bone and is just sand and a few pebels. Also excuse the rug making a cameo appearance  :ighappy:

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