Troodon Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 There is quite of bit Kem Kem dinosaur material coming on the market and some of it quite good. Will try address the identification issue on some items so at least you will know what your bidding on. This appears to match quite well with a Spinosaurid ilium, seller calls it a pelvic bone. Looks quite nice, complete with a concern are the areas circled in white. Not sure it's bone or matrix. Seller does comment on filled fractures and some are visible but that should not detract from the piece. What the seller is offering here is a Spinosaurus phalanx and claw toe bones. What I believe you have here is a Spinosaurid foot claw and a carpal (hand bone). So think about this listing as two separate bones not associated in any way. This is a listing of a Spinosaurus complete finger with claw. What I believe you have are 3 carpals from a Spinosaurid that are completely unassociated and are not a good match as a composite. Hard to say much about the claw other that it appears to be a foot claw of what cannot determine with photos provided. Again like the one above if you're interested in this bid it as 4 separate items. Seller has this as a Spinosaurus phalanx toe bone. I find it difficult to call this one since its a partial but looks more like a carpal. I dont think you can ID this to any specific critter, not much diagnostic and we know so little. Seller is offering these as 4 Spinosaurus phalanx toe bones. The two on the left look like carpals, probably from a Spinosaurid. The one on the far right is a phalanx but it's hard to determine from what dinosaur. The second from the right to fragmented to say. Seller here has 4 Spinosaurus phalanx toe bone for sale. They are toe bones and may be from Spinosaurid but who knows there are lots of other theropods in this region and identifying isolated bones is very difficult. If interested they should be identified as theropod indeterminate. Being offered as a Spinosaurus phalanx toe bone. It might be from a Spinosaurid but have same comments as above 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 This is being offered as a huge Spinosaurus phalanx toe bone. Difficult to say with the matrix still on the back end but it's not a toe bone. Needs to be prepped to get a better look and it was reassembled from at least 4 pieces. My guess is that it's a Carpal from a Spinosaurid. One big tooth being offered has a red flag. There is matrix all around the crown where it meets the root. Difficult to say if its a repair or composite. The root also bulges out a bit on the left photo so beware. Anytime you see matrix on a tooth it's there for a reason and rarely it's a good one. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indominus rex Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I saw these items on our favorite auction site and I warned my friend about them. Thanks for sharing this Information, sometimes we believe things too easily. Life started in the ocean. And so did my interest in fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, indominus rex said: I saw these items on our favorite auction site and I warned my friend about them. Thanks for sharing this Information, sometimes we believe things too easily. Very true and like I've said many times before we should not rely on what is listed from anyone, trusted seller or not. We need to educate ourselves or seek advice to be sure it's accurate. On these listings just because the identification may be off the items offered are still nice and worthy of any collection. Now you have a better idea what is being offered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indominus rex Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Troodon said: Very true and like I've said many times before we should not rely on what is listed from anyone, trusted seller or not. We need to educate ourselves or seek advice to be sure it's accurate. On these listings just because the identification may be off the items offered are still nice and worthy of any collection. Now you have a better idea what is being offered. Well said, well said Life started in the ocean. And so did my interest in fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Here are some more Listed as a Spinosaurus caudal vertebra. It's a crocodile caudal vertebra Offered a complete Spinosaurs vertebra. Difficult to say what it is, lean against Spinosaurid . One of the lateral and the neural process are not complete. Can be Croc. Listed as the finest quality Pterosaur claw. Its missing the proximal ( back ) end, oops there goes finest quality and it's not Pterosaur. We've discussed this morphology of claw before with the ventral lip on the tip and are uncertain of a diagnoses. There is some evidence it could be theropod but?. Huge Rebbachisaurus tooth being sold. Its a big tooth but be aware that the tip appears to have broken off, much to jaggered to be a wear facet. We also have no scientific evidence what sauropod this morphology of tooth comes from. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I just looked at all of their listings, I’m glad you posted this. I was thinking of getting something from them. If I still decide to I’ll be sure to ask about it here. Thanks for the heads up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Correct me if I am wrong in saying this and obviously not naming names but isn't this seller an expert in vertebrae paleontology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Haravex said: Correct me if I am wrong in saying this and obviously not naming names but isn't this seller an expert in vertebrae paleontology? have no idea who he is but if this is an indication of his knowledge I would wonder what type of expert he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I quote this from the sellers website "I have a strong academic background in Paleontology and Geology from the University of ******** and the university of *************" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Haravex said: I quote this from the sellers website "I have a strong academic background in Paleontology and Geology from the University of ******** and the university of *************" Did not see that, interesting, oh well the proof of his knowledge is in his listings... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Apparently he's a geologist. The listings often include quite good location information too. The seller seems nice enough and has responded well in the past to feedback on identification. 2 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Several times, now and also in the past, this seller has already demonstrated that he does not understand if the bones are really associated or not, if they are of theropod caudal or if they are of crocodiles, if they are bones of a Spinosaurid or of any other type of theropod dinosaur , I've also noticed that he understands absolutely nothing about pterosaurs. This seller may even have a solid academic background in paleontology, but what's upsetting him is the fossils, which makes him a good geologist! Nevertheless, they are wonderful fossils that can beautify the best place on the shelf, but as you said, we should educate ourselves, and try to understand what we are buying. Once again thank you for sharing your knowledge my eternal friend Troodon! 1 Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flx Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I bought some items from this seller in the past. He is a nice person and as far as I know he has a background in geology (not paleontology!). Often, I disagree with the IDs he is giving to the fossils he sells. Some of them have been repaired with a glue-sand mixture that cannot be removed chemically/mechanically without damaging the fossil. On the positive side, all fossils I bought were authentic in the sense that there were no fakes or frankenbones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 10/02/2018 at 9:51 PM, Haravex said: Correct me if I am wrong in saying this and obviously not naming names but isn't this seller an expert in vertebrae paleontology? Errrr yes supposedly so. Having said that I’ve had a couple of good things from him including my pathological Carch which was mis-described. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 10/02/2018 at 10:27 PM, LordTrilobite said: Apparently he's a geologist. The listings often include quite good location information too. The seller seems nice enough and has responded well in the past to feedback on identification. I agree. He’s a pleasant guy. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 10/02/2018 at 12:17 PM, Troodon said: Listed as the finest quality Pterosaur claw. Its missing the proximal ( back ) end, oops there goes finest quality and it's not Pterosaur. We've discussed this morphology of claw before with the ventral lip on the tip and are uncertain of a diagnoses. There is some evidence it could be theropod but?. Even if there is complete doubt, even if the ventral lip is missing in this claw, the auction on our preferred auction site ended at US $222,50 ! And here's a buyer happy, that does not have, and probably never have a clue what got purchase! To this day, in my entire life, the only genuine pterosaur claw I have ever seen, which was discovered in Kem Kem, was this: The rest of the claws that are supposed to be Pterosaurs of Kem Kem, which are very commonly sold all over the internet, lacking the ventral lip, are just fairy tales, nothing more! Oops there goes finest quality! 3 Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 Not surprised the lure of a pterosaur claw in your collection is pretty cool. It would be one thing if the claw was least complete but its missing the entrie back end, its a shame someone bought it for that price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flx Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Actually, all the material above has been sold for pretty high prices. Probably ppl are still in the fossil buying mood after the Tucson show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatasaurus93 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) I'm familiar with the seller. I have picked up a few nice specimens from him. His auctions are a mixed bag, imo. I've seen a lot of nice/legit specimens but some questionable ones as well. My rule of thumb is one red flag is one too many. If you don't feel confident about the fossil you're purchasing, you shouldn't be purchasing it. Edited February 13, 2018 by Meatasaurus93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msantix Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Thanks Troodon for the informative posts, i was considering bidding on a few of them before i saw this thread :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amon81 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 13/2/2018 at 11:13 PM, Meatasaurus93 said: I'm familiar with the seller. I have picked up a few nice specimens from him. His auctions are a mixed bag, imo. I've seen a lot of nice/legit specimens but some questionable ones as well. My rule of thumb is one red flag is one too many. If you don't feel confident about the fossil you're purchasing, you shouldn't be purchasing it. Hi could you help me to find this seller? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 12 hours ago, amon81 said: Hi could you help me to find this seller? Thanks You have a message. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 16 hours ago, amon81 said: Hi could you help me to find this seller? Thanks If you wish my friend @amon81, I have here with me the seller's Facebook. He is a wonderful person and very accessible! Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amon81 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 hours ago, JohnBrewer said: You have a message. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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