Kane Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 As I prepare a space in the dining room for a large trilobite display, organized by geologic periods and taxonomic trees, I am also cleaning up the database and trying to pinpoint some IDs with a bit more precision, and would definitely be grateful for assistance. The first two are pictured in the first image. On the left is a find from my area with the imported fill, so it could be anything from Bois Blanc, Amherstberg, to Dundee Fms. I am thinking that this is a dalmantid, along the lines of Anchiops due to what appear to be incised axial rings and that wide, flaring upper portion of the pygidium. But I am not 100% sure. If it is A. anchiopsis, it goes in my "to trade" pile as I already have examples of this one. On the right is a gift from John B. and his trip to Wrens Nest with the challenge to prep it out a bit more. The matrix of this stuff laughed at my air scribe as it whined and whined with very little give. I was vaguely thinking Dalmanites myops. Hopefully there is enough detail to be certain. It lacks the pygidial spike if that is the case. I am having some difficulty locating any of my literature on Wrens Nest bugs at the moment. The third is another odd find from my import fill area. It has a pygidial border, that puts me in mind of Pseudodechenella, but it does not seem quite right. The axis tapers to a point and sits high up when viewed from the side. Scale of the tiny squares is 5mm x 5mm. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 And, while I'm here and cleaning up, this trio as well. I've tinkered with them to uncover matrix, but put them aside in a bin. Also from the same Devonian potpourri mix: ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Nice pygidia, this seems like a job for @piranha “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Kane said: a gift from John B. and his trip to Wrens Nest with the challenge to prep it out a bit more. The matrix of this stuff laughed at my air scribe as it whined and whined with very little give Always have the same problem Kane. Matrix is crazily hard. The trilos are pretty resilient too but I think matrix has one over. I might try something chemical. I’ve got some fossil free slabs and might see what I can do. Bet it laughs at hydroflouric acid. NOT that I’m gonna go that route even tho I’m stupid..... John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnBrewer said: Always have the same problem Kane. Matrix is crazily hard. The trilos are pretty resilient too but I think matrix has one over. I might try something chemical. I’ve got some fossil free slabs and might see what I can do. Bet it laughs at hydroflouric acid. NOT that I’m gonna go that route even tho I’m stupid..... The funny thing is, there are "softer" parts that cooperate, but on the whole even a liberal dousing of HP sauce doesn't seem to loosen it. When you wished me luck, you weren't kidding! But, you are right that the trilo is quite resilient (thankfully) although I doubt I will want to take too brute a risk with this one. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Calymene blumenbachi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, piranha said: Calymene blumenbachi Perfect! My thanks... Have to correct the database! (my guess was way off, but at least I got the phacopid part correct ). I seem to be coming up short on plates for the lower-mid Devonian pygidia. I have a few select articles by Ludvigsen et al., and the Trilobite treatise, but can't seem to match up the images to the specimens. ...Also no luck in raiding my stores of Stumm's proetids, and no precise matches in Trilobites of NY, nor Ludvigsen's short Fossils of Ontario (or even my Formosa Reef stuff). ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 40 minutes ago, piranha said: Calymene blumenbachi ,Much as I hate to be pedantic, but shouldn't that be Calymene blumenbachii ? Or have they changed that as well? Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: ,Much as I hate to be pedantic, but shouldn't that be Calymene blumenbachii ? Or have they changed that as well? I missed an 'i' with my copy and paste. Anything else? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Kane said: (my guess was way off, but at least I got the phacopid part correct ). All from the Order 'Phacopida', however, Dalmanites is a dalmanitid (Dalmanitidae) and Calymene is a calymenid (Calymenidae). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Aye, and that I should have known. Just about all my calymenids have those "droopy" pygidial furrows (yes, that will be my fancy technical term. ). ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, piranha said: I missed an 'i' with my copy and paste. Anything else? lol Erm. Okay, it's interesting to note that not only are Dalmanites and Calymene members of different families, but different suborders. Dalmanites is a member of the suborder Phacopina and Calymene from the suborder Calymenina. 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Today I took a break from my usual data gathering routine to investigate the case of the missing 'i' in Calymene blumenbachii From the original description of Brongniart 1822, there are approximately 205 papers with C. blumenbachii from 1822-2018. Elrathia kingii appears to have similar statistics, but that research will have to wait for another day! taxonomic history: Entomolithus paradoxus Linnaeus 1759 Trilobus tuberculatus Brünnich 1781 Trilobites tuberculatus Blumenbach 1810 Entomolithus paradoxus Parkinson 1811 Entomostracites tuberculatus Wahlenberg 1818 Entomolithes tuberculatus Wahlenberg 1821 Calymene blumenbachii Brongniart 1822 This list in chronological order by publication date shows 72 papers (35%) have been published with the missing 'i'. Murchison, Roderick Impey 1845. On the Palaeozoic Deposits of Scandinavia and the Baltic Provinces of Russia, and their relations to Azoic or more ancient crystalline Rocks; with an account of some great features of dislocation and metamorphism along their northern frontiers. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 1:467-494 Rouault, Marie 1847. Extrait du Mémoire sur les Trilobites du Département d'Ille-et-Villaine. Bulletin de la Société Géologique de France, 2nd Series, 4:309-328 Rouault, Marie 1849. Mémoire 1° sur la composition du test des Trilobites; 2° sur les changements de formes dus a des causes accidentelles, ce qui a pu permettre de confondre des espèces différentes. Bulletin de la Société Géologique de France, 2nd Series, 6:67-89 Sedgwick, Adam & McCoy, Frederick 1851. A synopsis of the classification of the British Palaeozoic rocks, with a systematic description of the British Palaeozoic fossils found in the geological museum of the University of Cambridge Eichwald, Edouard von 1857. Beitrag zur Geographischen Verbreitung der fossilien Thiere Russlands. Alte Period. Bulletin de la Société Impériale des Naturalistes de Moscou 30(2):305-338 Nieszkowski, Johannes 1859. Zusätze zum Monografie über die Trilobiten die Ostseeprovinzen, nebst der Beschreibung einer neuen obersilurischen Crustaceen. Archiv für die Naturkunde Liv-, Ehst-und Kurlands 2(2):345-384 Bronn. H.G. 1861. Demonstration of theoretical laws by research on fossil organized bodies contained in sedimentary layers. Comptes Rendus Hebdomadaires des Séances de l'Academie des Sciences 53(Sup.):570-601 Billings, E. 1866. Catalogues of the Silurian fossils of the island of Anticosti: with descriptions of some new genera and species. Geological Survey of Canada Barrande, Joachim 1871. Trilobites. Extrait du Supplément au Vol. 1. du Systême Silurien du centre de la Bohême. Barrande, Joachim 1872. Systême Silurien du centre de la Bohême. 1 ère Partie. Recherches paléontologiques, Supplement au Vol.I: Trilobites, Crustaces divers et Poissons. (Prague and Paris). Törnquist, Sven Leonhard 1884. Undersökningar öfver Siljansområdets trilobitfauna. Sveriges Geologiska Undersökning, Serie C, 66:1-101 Novák, Ottomar 1885. Studien an Hypostomen böhmischer Trilobiten, II. [Studies of Bohemian Trilobite Hypostomes, II.] Zprávy o Zasedání Královské Ceske Společnosti Nauk v Praze Rocník 1884:212-229 Pfeiffer, P.A. 1888 Die Palaeozoischen Arthropoden in der Sternwarte zu Kremsmünster. [The Palaeozoic Arthropods in the Observatory at Kremsmünster.] Jahresberichte des Vereins für Naturkunde in Österreich ob der Enns zu Linz, 18:1-14 Reed, F.R.C. 1896. The fauna of the Keisley Limestone, Part I. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 52:407-437 Reed, F.R.C.. 1897. The fauna of the Keisley Limestone, Part II. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 53:67-106 Reed, F.R.C. 1899. The lower Palaeozoic bedded rocks of County Waterford. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 55:718-772 Peach, B.N.; Horne, J.; Macconochie, A. 1904. The Silurian Rocks in the South of Scotland. Geological Society, Glasgow. 1901:423-444 Peach, B.N. 1904. The Trilobites of the Silurian Rocks of Southwest Scotland. Geological Society, Glasgow. 1904:445-447 Peach, B.N. 1904. The Arthropoda from the Silurian Rocks of Southwest Scotland. Geological Society, Glasgow. 1904:450-453 Reed, F.R.C. 1906. The Lower Palaeozoic Trilobites of the Girvan District, Ayrshire. Palaeontographical Society, London 286:97-186 Prouty, William F. 1908. The Meso-Silurian Deposits of Maryland. American Journal of Science, Series 4, 26:563-574 Richter, Rudolf & Richter, Emma 1914. Von unseren Trilobiten. Bericht der Senckenbergischen Naturforschenden Gesellschaft 45:50-62 Kerforne, F. 1914. Sur la présence de Calymmene blumenbachi Brongn. dans le Gothlandien de Bretagne. Comptes rendus Hebdomadaires des Séances de l'Académie des Sciences 158:1458-1459 Kerforne, F. 1923. Etude stratigraphique de la vallée de l'Ille entre Saint-Médard-sur-Ille et Saint- Germain-sur-Ille (Ille-et-Vilaine). Bulletin de la Société géologique et minéralogique de Bretagne 1923:178-191 Gardiner, Charles Irving 1927. The Silurian Inlier of Woolhope, Herefordshire. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 83:501-530 Reed, F.R.C. 1931. The Lower Palaeozoic Trilobites of the Girvan District, Ayrshire. Supplement 2: A Revision of Some Species Previously Described. Palaeontographical Society,London 382:1-29 Whittard, Walter Frederick 1932. The Stratigraphy of the Valentian Rocks of Shropshire. The Longmynd-Shelve and Breidden Outcrops. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 88:859-902 Cayeux, L. 1933. Rôle des Trilobites dans la genèse des gisements de phosphate de chaux paléozoïques. Comptes rendus Hebdomadaires des Séances de l'Académie des Sciences 196:1179-1182 Shirley, J. 1936. Some British trilobites of the family Calymenidae. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 92(14):384-422 Stubblefield, C.J. 1936. Cephalic sutures and their bearing on current classification of trilobites. Biological Reviews 11(4):407-440 Bouček, Bedřich 1937. Stratigraphie et parallélisme de l'Ordovicien supérieur de la Bohême. Bulletin de la Société Géologique de France, 5th series, 7:439-458 Philipott, André 1950. Les Graptolites du Massif Armoricain. Etude Stratigraphique et Paléontologique. Mémoires Société géologique et minéralogique de Bretagne 8:1-295 Williams, Alwyn 1952. The geology of the Llandello district, Carmarthenshire. Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 108:177-207 Přibyl, Alois 1953. Index of trilobite genera in Bohemia. Knihovna Ústředního Ústavu Geologického 25:1-80 Harrington, Horacio J. 1956. Argentina. In: Handbook of South American Geology: An Explanation of the Geologic Map of South America. Geological Society of America Memoir 65:129-166 McKerrow, W.S.; Blackburn, Audrey L.; Taylor, S.R. 1956. Rare alkali elements in trilobites. Geological Magazine 93:504-516 Maksimova, Zlata Aleksandrovna 1960. Silurian system. Class Trilobita. Trudy Sibirskogo Nauchno-Issledovatel'skogo Instituta Geologii, 20:117-120,178 Maksimova, Zlata Aleksandrovna 1960. Palaeontological base for the Palaeozoic stratigraphy of the Rudny Altai. Devonian and Carboniferous trilobites of the Rudny Altai. Vsesoyuznogo Nauchno-Issledovatel'skogo Geologicheskogo Instituta (VSEGEI), N.S., 1-123 Freshney, E.C. 1960. An Extension of the Silurian Succession in the Craighead Inlier, Girvan. Transactions of the Geological Society of Glasgow 24(1):27-31 Barlier, Jacques; Le Maître, Dorothée; Rogier, Phillipe 1960. Presence of the genera Ampyx and Plumulites in the Gothlandian of the northeastern border of Tassili N 'Adjer: Adrar Ikohahoène (Fort de Polignac Basin). Comptes Rendus Hebdomadaires des Séances de l'Academie des Sciences 250:4407-4409 Guo Hongjun 1962. Some Silurian Trilobites from the Er-Tao-Gou Group of Jilin. Acta Palaeontologica Sinica 10(3):369-385 Dean, William Thornton 1963. The Stile End beds and Drygill shales (Ordovician) in east and north of the English Lake District. Bulletin of the British Museum (Natural History), Geology Series, 9(3):47-65 Sutton, I.D. 1966. The Geology of Sedgley and Dudley. The Mercian Geologist 2:112-114 Gratsianova, R.T. 1967. Brachiopods and stratigraphy of the lower Devonian Gorny Altai. Akademiya Nauk SSSR, Sibirskoe Otdelenie, Instituta Geologii i Geofiziki (Moscow) 175 pp. Kylkov, N.P. 1967. Silurian brachiopods and stratigraphy of Altai Mountain. Akademiia Nauk SSSR, Sibirskoe Otdelenie, Instituta Geologii i Geofizikii (Moscow) 151 pp. Ëlkin, Evgenii Aleksandrovich 1968. Trilobites (Dechenellidae) and stratigraphy of the Lower and Middle Devonian of the South of West Siberia. Akademiya Nauk SSSR, Sibirskoe Otdelenie, Instituta Geologii i Geofiziki (Moscow) pp.80-146 Schrank, Eckart 1970. Calymeniden (Trilobita) aus silurischen Geschieben. Berichte der Deutschen Gesellschaft für Geologische Wissenschaft, A: Geol.Pal. 15(1):109-146 Curtis, M.L.K. 1972. The Silurian rocks of the Tortworth Inlier, Gloucestershire. Proceedings of the Geologists' Association 83(1):1-35 British Palaeozoic Fossils, 1975. British Museum, Butler and Tanner Ltd., 4th Ed. Walmsley, Victor G. & Bassett, Michael G. 1976. Biostratigraphy and correlation of the Coralliferous Group and Gray Sandstone Group (Silurian) of Pembrokeshire, Wales. Proceedings of the Geologists' Association 87(2):191-220 McNamara, K J. 1979. The age, stratigraphy and genesis of the Coniston Limestone Group in the southern Lake District. Geological Journal 14(1):41-68 Neben, W. & Krueger, Hans-Hartmut 1979. Fossilien Kambrischer, Ordovizischer und Silurischer Geschiebe. Staringia No.5, Grondboor en Hamer 33(1):3-63 Maksimova, Zlata Aleksandrovna 1980. Biostratigraphic zones based on trilobites in USSR Devonian deposits. International Geology Review 22(4):477-489 Kobayashi, Teiichi 1981. The Geological History of the Eastern Part of the Mongolian Geosyncline. Journal of Geography 90(6):424-432 Männil, Reet 1982. Wenlock and late Silurian trilobite associates of the East Baltic area and their stratigraphical value. Eesti NSV Teaduste Akadeemia Toimetised, Geoloogia 31:63-70 Tống Duy Thanh 1982. Biostratigraphic significance complexes fauna in Devonian region Beibu (Vietnam). Schöning, Heinrich 1983. Neue Trilobitenfunde aus dem Geschieben des Kies-Sand-Rückens «Laer Heide» bei Bad Laer a.T.W. 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Tidgy's Dad Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 20 hours ago, piranha said: Today I took a break from my usual data gathering routine to investigate the case of the missing 'i' in Calymene blumenbachii From the original description of Brongniart 1822, there are approximately 205 papers with C. blumenbachii from 1822-2018. Elrathia kingii appears to have similar statistics, but that research will have to wait for another day! taxonomic history: Entomolithus paradoxus Linnaeus 1759 Trilobus tuberculatus Brünnich 1781 Trilobites tuberculatus Blumenbach 1810 Entomolithus paradoxus Parkinson 1811 Entomostracites tuberculatus Wahlenberg 1818 Entomolithes tuberculatus 1821 Calymene blumenbachii Brongniart 1822 Goodness! Very thorough. But how many that use one i are accidents, or is that standard in those papers ? It is still surprisingly often mentioned with just the one i. I look forward to the Elrathia kingii (kingi, ahem) version, especially as I just prepped a few. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 15 hours ago, Tidgy's Dad said: But how many that use one i are accidents, or is that standard in those papers ? It is still surprisingly often mentioned with just the one i. Unfortunately they are simply standard mistakes, the 'standard' is supposed to be accuracy. But perhaps others just preferred to use one 'i' in spite of the obvious priority of Brongniart. 15 hours ago, Tidgy's Dad said: I look forward to the Elrathia kingii (kingi, ahem) version, especially as I just prepped a few. I was only kidding, once was enough, that is way too much effort for such a trivial pursuit! More interesting fun facts about Calymene blumenbachii can be found in this paper: Mikulic, D.G., & Kluessendorf, J. (2007) Legacy of the Locust - Dudley and its famous trilobite: Calymene blumenbachii In: Mikulic, D.G., Landing, E., & Kluessendorf, J, eds. (2007) Fabulous Fossils: 300 Years of Worldwide Research on Trilobites. New York State Museum Bulletin: 507:1-248 PDF LINK Calymene blumenbachii was also involved in an infamous scandal, described by Woodward 1868 as a new species with long eye-stalks: ‘Calymene ceratophthalma’ Woodward, H., (1868) On a newly-discovered long-eyed Calymene from the Wenlock Limestone, Dudley. Geological Magazine 5:489-493 Following a swift rebuke from his peers, he was forced to retract his dubious species. Woodward, H. (1869) On a newly-discovered long-eyed trilobite from Dudley. Geological Magazine 6:43-44 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, piranha said: Unfortunately they are simply standard mistakes, the 'standard' is supposed to be accuracy. But perhaps others just preferred to use one 'i' in spite of the obvious priority of Brongniart. I was only kidding, once was enough, that is way too much effort for such a trivial pursuit! More interesting fun facts about Calymene blumenbachii can be found in this paper: Mikulic, D.G., & Kluessendorf, J. (2007) Legacy of the Locust - Dudley and its famous trilobite: Calymene blumenbachii In: Mikulic, D.G., Landing, E., & Kluessendorf, J, eds. (2007) Fabulous Fossils: 300 Years of Worldwide Research on Trilobites. New York State Museum Bulletin: 507:1-248 PDF LINK Calymene blumenbachii was also involved in an infamous scandal, described by Woodward 1868 as a new species with long eye-stalks: ‘Calymene ceratophthalma’ Woodward, H., (1868) On a newly-discovered long-eyed Calymene from the Wenlock Limestone, Dudley. Geological Magazine 5:489-493 Following a swift rebuke from his peers, he was forced to retract his dubious species. Woodward, H. (1869) On a newly-discovered long-eyed trilobite from Dudley. Geological Magazine 6:43-44 Thank you very much indeed. I have the Legacy of the Locust one. I shall enjoy reading the rest of these. Mr Woodward was fooled by a workman's fake it seems! Heard of this but never read the papers. Thanks again. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 For those who are interested in such things, Calymene blumenbachii is featured on the Coat of Arms of Dudley. You can see the trilobite on the white band in the middle. 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 13/02/2018 at 11:17 PM, Kane said: The funny thing is, there are "softer" parts that cooperate, but on the whole even a liberal dousing of HP sauce doesn't seem to loosen it. When you wished me luck, you weren't kidding! But, you are right that the trilo is quite resilient (thankfully) although I doubt I will want to take too brute a risk with this one. This is a useful book @Kane http://www.nhmshop.co.uk/british-palaeozoic-fossils.html 1 John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 13/02/2018 at 11:30 PM, piranha said: Calymene blumenbachi Not Acaste sp. then? They’re really common there. All the Calymene I’ve found there are much bigger but there is an abundance of these really small ones which I thought were Acaste rather than juvenile Calymene. Not that I know anything trilo collecting ichthyosaur material mainly...... John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, JohnBrewer said: Not Acaste sp. then? They’re really common there. All the Calymene I’ve found there are much bigger but there is an abundance of these really small ones which I thought were Acaste rather than juvenile Calymene. Not that I know anything trilo collecting ichthyosaur material mainly...... Acaste does not have a large terminal axial piece. Look again at the scale Kane provided, the pygidium is ~2 cm wide, a typical size for a large Calymene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, piranha said: Acaste does not have a large terminal axial piece. Look again at the scale Kane provided, the pygidium is ~2 cm wide, a typical size for a large Calymene. Thanks @piranha I must have been rather generous sending @Kane such a large trilo! Or maybe I thought it was small and Kane has exposed more than I thought was there. I do find many small which I thought maybe Acaste. Having re-looked at this thread I think it was the trilo I thought was Calymene I sent Kane John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 And that leaves the other half dozen trilo-butts to pin down. I am guessing that the one on the left of the C. blumenbachii is a dalmanitid? Another Anchiopsis? The one below appears to be a proetid of some type, but lacks the kind of "glaze" covering of Pseudodechenella (plus that bizarre tapering axial piece), and not a thick enough border to be Crassiproetus. I'll put this out there: would anyone know of any articles on Devonian proetidae (and/or dalmanitids) in Ontario, apart from Ludvigsen's piece on the Formosa Reef? And, of course, hopefully ones containing photo plates. My database searches are coming up empty, which either means there are no articles that drill down to this particular subject, or the databases I am using are woefully incomplete. I'll do another search, but any help in tracking down the proper literature would help me out greatly! Just going through Lieberman's 1994 text on Eastern North American proetids, and hopeful to come up with a match. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 These papers have a bunch of Canadian dalmanitids and dechenellids for comparison: Ormiston, A.R. (1967) Lower and Middle Devonian Trilobites of the Canadian Arctic Islands. Geological Survey of Canada Bulletin, 153:1-148 Lesperance, P.J. & Bourque, P.A. (1971) The Synphoriinae: An Evolutionary Pattern of Lower and Middle Devonian Trilobites. Journal of Paleontology, 45(2):182-208 Lesperance, P.J. (1975) Stratigraphy and Paleontology of the Synphoriidae (Lower and Middle Devonian Dalmanitacean Trilobites). Journal of Paleontology, 49(1):91-137 Lespérance, P.J. & Sheehan, P.M. (1988) Faunal assemblages of the Upper Gaspé Limestones, Early Devonian of eastern Gaspé, Quebec. Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, 25(9):1432-1449 Check your email - files sent! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 1:52 PM, Kane said: On the left is a find from my area with the imported fill, so it could be anything from Bois Blanc, Amherstberg, to Dundee Fms. I am thinking that this is a dalmantid, along the lines of Anchiops due to what appear to be incised axial rings and that wide, flaring upper portion of the pygidium. But I am not 100% sure. If it is A. anchiopsis, it goes in my "to trade" pile as I already have examples of this one. Agree: Anchiopsis anchiops On 2/13/2018 at 1:52 PM, Kane said: The third is another odd find from my import fill area. It has a pygidial border, that puts me in mind of Pseudodechenella, but it does not seem quite right. The axis tapers to a point and sits high up when viewed from the side. Scale of the tiny squares is 5mm x 5mm. The axis appears to be distorted by lateral compression. Eldredgeops rana with similar characteristics of distortion: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 @piranha: My double thanks. A delightful trove that will be helpful to me in the field, and for the ID assist. I do have just one from Lespérance, so this is an added treat. I honestly hadn't considered compression to account for that shape. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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