minnbuckeye Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I received wonderful responses to my requests for Identification/verification of my recent Florida finds. It allowed me to research on my own and begin to understand Florida of the past much better. Today, I provide a few more specimens for Identification: 1. Two more teeth. I will GUESS deer, maybe camel??? 2. I can't remember what was suggested for this. Maybe dolphin tooth??? 3. Finally for this section, this mandible was suggested to be from a carnivore. Any stabs as to which one fits this the best. Tell me it was the mandible that my dire wolf tooth came from. Unlikely since I tried fitting it in place already without much success. Hopefully the responses will be as enlightening as my first post. To all that reply to this or my previous post, I thank you kindly. Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abeislaughing Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 That’s cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Nice pieces. I have little idea of what i'm talking about (as per usual), but the first one looks like llama, the second like dolphin and no idea of the third. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The third fossil looks like the lower jaw of a raccoon (Procyon lotor). Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, mikeymig said: The third fossil looks like the lower jaw of a raccoon (Procyon lotor). Skip the mandible ID. As it dried out, I began to question if it was really a fossil. The bone did begin to smell when flame was placed on it. Otherwise, the mandible in question would have been larger than this coon mandible found on line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The flame test is not accurate for this age since most Pleistocene fossils are unalterd. Ive displayed many mammoth teeth and when I drilled into them the smell was disgusting like burnt hair or a dentist office. Also size depends on the age of the animal when it died. Its the jaw of a carnivore/omnivore and the size fits for coon. Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, mikeymig said: The flame test is not accurate for this age since most Pleistocene fossils are unalterd. Ive displayed many mammoth teeth and when I drilled into them the smell was disgusting like burnt hair or a dentist office. . . . . This seems to be an extravagant claim. Do you have evidence other than your experience with drilling mammoth teeth? http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Not so extravagant. Over the years I bought many mammoth teeth from Theo Hensken and mounted the teeth using brass pegs so they "floated" over an acrylic display base. No reason to lie or make it up. I tried using Lysol to get rid of the smell but it then smelled like burnt hair and Lysol. A lot of Pleistocene fossils are unaltered. Mammoth hair from Siberia is still just hair. Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 18 hours ago, mikeymig said: The flame test is not accurate for this age since most Pleistocene fossils are unalterd. Ive displayed many mammoth teeth and when I drilled into them the smell was disgusting like burnt hair or a dentist office. Also size depends on the age of the animal when it died. Its the jaw of a carnivore/omnivore and the size fits for coon. 14 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: This seems to be an extravagant claim. Do you have evidence other than your experience with drilling mammoth teeth? 45 minutes ago, mikeymig said: Not so extravagant. Over the years I bought many mammoth teeth from Theo Hensken and mounted the teeth using brass pegs so they "floated" over an acrylic display base. No reason to lie or make it up. I tried using Lysol to get rid of the smell but it then smelled like burnt hair and Lysol. A lot of Pleistocene fossils are unaltered. Mammoth hair from Siberia is still just hair. Sooo . . . The evidence for your claim that "most Pleistocene fossils are unaltered [retain collagen]" is your experience with permafrost-preserved mammoth remains. You argue from a specific example to make a broad gerneralization, an error in logic. You do realize, don't you, that the fossils in question were recovered in Florida where there is no permafrost and where Pleistocene fossils do not retain collagen. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The mammoth teeth in question were from the North Sea not "permafrost-preserved" as you have assumed. The ONLY thing that I'm TRYING to say (and give an example) is that not ALL Pleistocene fossils have been altered/fossilized. You questioned my honesty and integrity. We can discuss this further in private if you like. Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I'm glad you've modified your claim that "most Pleistocene fossils are unaltered." Honesty and integrity? Naw! I merely questioned your logic. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 @Harry Pristis @mikeymig I am sorry conflict developed over my post. Now that we have kissed and made up, can ANYONE suggest IDs for #1 and #2? I have labeled the mandible possible raccoon/ may not be a fossil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 #1 and #2 are camelid cheek teeth. From Florida, they are lamine camelids, Palaeolama mirifica or Hemiauchenia sp. The smaller tooth (#2) appears to be Palaeolama, but I can't see enough detail to guess about #1 tooth. 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Thanks @Harry Pristis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 5:13 PM, minnbuckeye said: my recent Florida finds. Hey Mike, I like Your new avatar! Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 21 hours ago, ynot said: Hey Mike, I like Your new avatar! @ynot Not as nice as your hummers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbshark Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think number two is a tilly bone Mike. Hard to say from the pics but if it seem proportionately light as opposed to a tooth of similar size that would be a likley guess. I have a few shaped like that. If you don’t see evidence of enamel on it that would be a clue also Every once in a great while it's not just a big rock down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 @jcbshark, thanks Jeff, will label it tilly likely. One more post and I should have all my finds IDed!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, minnbuckeye said: @jcbshark, thanks Jeff, will label it tilly likely. One more post and I should have all my finds IDed!!!!!!!! Tilly bones are massive. They don't delaminate like the odontocete tooth in image #2. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbshark Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: Tilly bones are massive. They don't delaminate like the odontocete tooth in image #2. I agree that it looks different from a tilly where it’s fractured Harry Every once in a great while it's not just a big rock down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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