Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Hi all, Anyone have any clue what this is? Both the standowner and I were perplexed at what it could be... It's from Kem Kem, Morocco. (Unfortunately, I can't post more pics, in case needed, because I didn't buy it... I somehow have the feeling I'm gonna regret not having bought it!) I am curious to see what this is! Max Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It looks like a tilly bone from a fish. 4 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ynot said: It looks like a tilly bone from a fish. Ah ok. Thanks! What exactly is a "tilly bone" though? As in what part of the fish is it? Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Max-fossils said: Ah ok. Thanks! What exactly is a "tilly bone" though? As in what part of the fish is it? There was a nice discussion on tilly bones here... There are more threads on TFF that talk about them. 3 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, ynot said: There was a nice discussion on tilly bones here... There are more threads on TFF that talk about them. Thanks, I'll have a look Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Agree with ynot, have not seen one from the KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Troodon said: Agree with ynot, have not seen one from the KK Ok. Do you think that it is a rare thing in Kem Kem? Or is it just rarely seen on the market because there is little demand for them? Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Max-fossils said: rarely seen on the market because there is little demand for them? This one. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Max-fossils said: Ok. Do you think that it is a rare thing in Kem Kem? Or is it just rarely seen on the market because there is little demand for them? From what I've seen at shows, like the one at Tucson, the Moroccan vendors in the tents will sell anything and everything they find. I've have not seen these before possibly because I just have not been observant enough, never paid attention to that form or they just may be not be common. Don't know... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, ynot said: This one. 2 minutes ago, Troodon said: From what I've seen at shows, like the one at Tucson, the Moroccan vendors in the tents will sell anything and everything they find. I've have not seen these before possibly because I just have not been observant enough, never paid attention to that form or they just may be not be common. Don't know... Ok. Well it could be a combination of both: not very common (after all Kem Kem isn't known for its marine deposits!), and not wanted by most people. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yes as troodon says they will sell anything they have and I have never seen one from this region before nice acquisition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Reminds me of a brain endocast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Al Dente said: Reminds me of a brain endocast. That's what it reminded me of. A pterosaur brain. But surely it couldn't be..............? 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Al Dente said: Reminds me of a brain endocast. The lack of symmetry between the lobes would argue against that. (Wouldn't it?) 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'd put my money on a silly Tilly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Before tilly bone was suggested my first thought was braincast as well. But I think ynot has a point that it doesn't have the right symmetry. There also seems to be a lack of nerve attachments. So I don't think it's an actual braincast. 1 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 @Al Dente @Tidgy's Dad @ynot @caldigger @LordTrilobite thanks for the extra replies! I also doubt that this is a brain endocast, because indeed it isn't perfectly symmetrical (as can be seen in this picure, one of the two "bulbs" is slightly bigger than the other). Also, as I have held it in my hand (and therefore have a better 3d image of it in my mind) I know that it isn't exactly symmetrical. So fish tilly bone, or 'silly bone', still seems to be the best match. Olof, you mentioned: 2 hours ago, LordTrilobite said: a lack of nerve attachments Just out of curiosity, how can you see that? As in what are the features that show nerve attachments? Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Haravex said: Yes as troodon says they will sell anything they have and I have never seen one from this region before nice acquisition. Okay. Stupidly though, I didn't buy it... But the seller and I were really curious to find out what it was, so that's why I posted pics of it here 21 hours ago, Max-fossils said: (Unfortunately, I can't post more pics, in case needed, because I didn't buy it... I somehow have the feeling I'm gonna regret not having bought it!) Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Max-fossils said: So fish tilly bone, or 'silly bone', still seems to be the best match Is it bone? From the photos I’m not seeing anything that looks like bony texture. I would expect to see it on the broken surfaces at each end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Max-fossils said: Just out of curiosity, how can you see that? As in what are the features that show nerve attachments? Here are some examples of some brains of birds, crocs and pterosaurs. As you can see there are lots of little thingies and protrusions on the bottom. These are all sorts of nerves for various functions. If the specimen you showed was a brain endocast, I'd expect there to be either these infills for nerves or broken off surfaces. 1 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 For comparison. A couple of shots of fish Tilly bones off the web. And yours... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantoraptor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Are you sure this is from Kem Kem? I was at a fair today with the same seller and I only saw one from Khouribga. It also doesn't look very much like Kem Kem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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