DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hi. I saw this online for very cheap compared to Ceratarges and I was wondering if it was real. To me it looks ok,the prep job is bad though. What do you think? Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantoraptor Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Can you obtain more pictures? Close-ups of the pygidium and the cephalon, also the spines, would be very helpfull. I don't see the eyes anywhere on the pictures. The pygidium looks fishy also. I also count more thorax segments than I am used to when I see this genus. I would stay away from this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'd pass on it. It may have a lot of real parts, but the carving job on the smaller pygidial spikes is pretty bad. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Agree with all the above. 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kane said: I'd pass on it. It may have a lot of real parts, but the carving job on the smaller pygidial spikes is pretty bad. Awww. Really thought it was a genuine fossil but just needed some better prep. Oh well... as usual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'd pass. More "artistic license" than anything real to my eye. Don 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: Agree with all the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, DatFossilBoy said: ? Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Are you quite sure that I should not buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, DatFossilBoy said: Are you quite sure that I should not buy it? It depends on how good You want Your collection to be. If You want to have a quality collection- then do not buy this piece. If You are not concerned with the quality- then it is a sample of this species. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, ynot said: It depends on how good You want Your collection to be. If You want to have a quality collection- then do not buy this piece. If You are not concerned with the quality- then it is a sample of this species. So most of the trilobite is fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantoraptor Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, DatFossilBoy said: So most of the trilobite is fake? Probably there will be real parts, but there has been some carving and I don't even like it as an example for the species! Is it just me or are the eyes gone? As a starter (so am I) I wouldn't go for species like Walliserops, Ceratarges, Dicranurus... but rather for perfect Phacops, Gerastos, Kettneraspis, Cyphaspis etc. etc. You have a whole life to collect nice and rare species. Don't try to get them all at once. Greetings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, gigantoraptor said: Probably there will be real parts, but there has been some carving and I don't even like it as an example for the species! Is it just me or are the eyes gone? As a starter (so am I) I wouldn't go for species like Walliserops, Ceratarges, Dicranurus... but rather for perfect Phacops, Gerastos, Kettneraspis, Cyphaspis etc. etc. You have a whole life to collect nice and rare species. Don't try to get them all at once. Greetings Yeah but when you see something,that is not crazy expensive like the others,who wouldn’t be tempted? They are magnificent trilobites when they are real. Thanks for your advice,I will follow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatFossilBoy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Thanks for the comment on my second trilobite post @LordTrilobite Do you have anything to say about this one that has not been said? Do you agree with the others. Really Appreciate the help. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Looks fishy. real or fake, it looks really rough. Pass on this one. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 When it comes to these bugs, you may get what you pay for. They are not common intact, and good prep work is not cheap. Imagine yourself preparing one of these and the hours it would take to do it. To me, a half-decent Cerararges would not retail for less than 70 euro. And that is cheap. Of course, fraudulent stuff will go at those prices and above. If you are going to buy Moroccan bugs, you really should acquire the academic literature, reading it carefully. You'll regret making an impulse purchase on a morphologically inaccurate specimen, trust me. For genuine pieces, be prepared to pay the money. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indominus rex Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 hours ago, gigantoraptor said: Probably there will be real parts, but there has been some carving and I don't even like it as an example for the species! Is it just me or are the eyes gone? As a starter (so am I) I wouldn't go for species like Walliserops, Ceratarges, Dicranurus... but rather for perfect Phacops, Gerastos, Kettneraspis, Cyphaspis etc. etc. You have a whole life to collect nice and rare species. Don't try to get them all at once. Greetings I noticed that as well, the eyes have either been completely destroyed in preparation or its a fake. Life started in the ocean. And so did my interest in fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantoraptor Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, indominus rex said: I noticed that as well, the eyes have either been completely destroyed in preparation or its a fake. I don't think they are destroyed, I think they are still in the matrix under the spines, except if it's a total fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indominus rex Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, gigantoraptor said: I don't think they are destroyed, I think they are still in the matrix under the spines, except if it's a total fake. I think we need pictures of the Cephalon to determine that. Life started in the ocean. And so did my interest in fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitch1979 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 For ya all, the brownish color indicates a certain layer in Moroccan trilo-land: it's the Pragian (Lower Devonian) and is very rich on a wide array of quite easy to prep trilobites, but it's not known for its Ceratarges sp. Most of these Ceratarges sp. are from the Eifelian (Middle Devonian) and would have a light grey (when hit by a hammer, needle, polish device the surface turns white) stone with white finishing and a blackish trilobite... Wouldn't ever buy it myself .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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