Dpaul7 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Three Gastropods- I would like ID confirmation. I THINK the first one (photo #1 & 2) is Astarte Concentrica. The SECOND bivalve I have no idea; I cannot find a match. (Photo 2 & 3) The THIRD one (photo5 & 6) I believe is Busycon carica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 @MikeR Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 You nailed the genus for the first bivalve, but I believe the species is Astarte griftonensis. The second bivalve is Glycimeris americanus. Both it and the Astarte are indicative of Mio-Plio sediments, specifically the Yorktown & James River formations. In regards to the whelk, I wanna do some digging, if you'll pardon the phrase. The ornamentation coupled with the size makes me wonder if it is indeed Busycon 3 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpaul7 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Many thanks! I will be posting one more, and odd one. IT LOOKS sort of like a Devil's Toenail in some ways, but I don't think it is -- the "bottom" seems different. Our local Pennsylvania flora & marine fauna is fairly easy for me... North Carolina not so much. Again, many thanks! DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 you might try a modern shell guide to get you to genus on many of these neogene fossil shells. Once you get a genus you can google "Genus Name, whatever formation" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Maybe @caldigger can help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Very nice shells! One thing though: 15 hours ago, Dpaul7 said: Three Gastropods They are not all three gastropods!!! Only the last one is. The first two are bivalves: a separate class. Both gastropods (class: Gastropoda) and bivalves (class: Bivalvia) are part of the Mollusca family, so they are both mollusks. They are also both considered seashells, but that's not a very scientific term. A fantastic website to help you with identifying fossil mollusks from South-Eastern USA is this one: Neogene Atlas Incredibly useful! Anyways, on the ID of your present finds: For #1, Astarte concentrica seems to match rather well IMO. @hemipristis , where did you get your ID of A. griftonensis from? For #2, I think @hemipristis is spot on. Glycymeris americana does seem to be a great match. The shells of the Glycymeris species are very easy to recognize thanks to their special dentition: these bunch of little "teeth" are typical of them (and other shells with a taxodont dentition). For #3, I think that Sinistrofulgur yeehaw is the most fitting. I have a very similar shell which was IDd this way: Fantastic name, don't you think? Once again, great little shells! Best regards, Max 4 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 14 hours ago, Max-fossils said: For #1, Astarte concentrica seems to match rather well IMO. @hemipristis , where did you get your ID of A. griftonensis from? For #3, I think that Sinistrofulgur yeehaw is the most fitting. I have a very similar shell which was IDd this way: Re: the Astarte, I was going by an old Southeastern Geology publication. It's def possible that A. griftonensis ended up as the same as A. concentrica, and it is not used. re: the whelk, I'm glad you found an ID. I looked at the Busycon carica and Busycon adversarias that I have as well as a third species in the Lee Creek Vol. 2 Smithsonian pub (I can't remember the genus/species at the moment), and it did not resemble any of the three 1 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 What is the deal with the name sinistrol fulgur yeehaw? Is this the humor of the finder of the species? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Malone said: What is the deal with the name sinistrol fulgur yeehaw? Is this the humor of the finder of the species? Yup, that is the size of it. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, ynot said: Yup, that is the size of it. I want to find a new fossil so I can make up some crazy names! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 4:42 PM, Malone said: I want to find a new fossil so I can make up some crazy names! lol Good luck with that! Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 9:25 AM, hemipristis said: Re: the Astarte, I was going by an old Southeastern Geology publication. It's def possible that A. griftonensis ended up as the same as A. concentrica, and it is not used. re: the whelk, I'm glad you found an ID. I looked at the Busycon carica and Busycon adversarias that I have as well as a third species in the Lee Creek Vol. 2 Smithsonian pub (I can't remember the genus/species at the moment), and it did not resemble any of the three Right ok. Well glad I could help with the whelk. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Max-fossils said: Good luck with that! If you believe the video I posted in general discussion,from Utah university, only a small fraction of the fossils have been found. Anyway it's neat to try and think of names that you might call one if found one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 If I find one I'll name it "Malone-o sauras I-told-you-sois" or something humorous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 @Dpaul7 can you give us info on where these were actually found. The coast of NC contains Pleistocene, Miocene, Pliocene and Oligocene sediments that these could have came from. If the first one is from Lee Creek, then I would say it is from the James City and is indeed A. concentrica. If from another location I would call it Astarte sp. I do not think it is A. griftonensis, unless it came from a singular location in Pitt County. The second bivalve if it came from Lee Creek it is Glycymeris americana. If ir is from Oligocene sediments I would say it is Glycymeris parilis. The gastropod is Sinustrofulgur contrarium. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 On 4/20/2018 at 6:02 PM, Malone said: If you believe the video I posted in general discussion,from Utah university, only a small fraction of the fossils have been found. Anyway it's neat to try and think of names that you might call one if found one. I know that only a tiny percentage of all fossils have been found, but finding a new species is still very difficult nonetheless! I DO hope that you find one though Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Max-fossils said: I know that only a tiny percentage of all fossils have been found, but finding a new species is still very difficult nonetheless! I DO hope that you find one though Me too and I hope you do as well! That's one of the things I like about fossils,all the different life forms! Edited April 21, 2018 by Malone Coma missing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpaul7 Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Thank you ONE AND ALL! Very good data and links! I have NO IDEA why I titled this 3 GASTROPODS... I've known the difference for 55 years or more! I'll chalk that up to a long day and old age! @sixgill pete - All I know is East Carolina coat. My sister does not remember the site.... She took her son fossil hnting 25 years ago or more.... and she just came across these. I know they hunted in Aurora.... and I have similar ones I KNOW are from Lee Creek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dpaul7 said: Thank you ONE AND ALL! Very good data and links! I have NO IDEA why I titled this 3 GASTROPODS... I've known the difference for 55 years or more! I'll chalk that up to a long day and old age! @sixgill pete - All I know is East Carolina coat. My sister does not remember the site.... She took her son fossil hnting 25 years ago or more.... and she just came across these. I know they hunted in Aurora.... and I have similar ones I KNOW are from Lee Creek. Lee Creek and Aurora are the same place. Aurora is the town and Lee Creek is the mine the matrix comes from people hunt at the museum. 1 Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpaul7 Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 I am hoping to visit there this summer! In the meantime.... IT IS FINALLY getting warmer here, and I will be out hunting fossils VERY SOON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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