Jazfossilator Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Found this years ago at Myrtle beach South Carolina, could it be a water worn tooth? Any ideas would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It could, but i'm not definite. Is it deeply hollow ? "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, fifbrindacier said: It could, but i'm not definite. Is it deeply hollow ? It goes atleast halfway down the object from what I can see, the opening is very small and seems to get thinner the further down it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 maybe alligator "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Herb said: maybe alligator That'd be my guess. Pretty certainly a large Tertiary reptile. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'm really curious about the fold on the outer edge, I don't believe alligators or crocodiles 11 minutes ago, Auspex said: That'd be my guess. Pretty certainly a large Tertiary reptile. have that? I've been stumped on this one for a while but the worn nature of it doesn't help of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'm thinking of a worn proboscidean molar loph, gomphothere / mammoth as a possibility. 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, abyssunder said: I'm thinking of a worn proboscidean molar loph, gomphothere / mammoth as a possibility. Oooo...maybe a bit of very worn mammoth tooth root? 3 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Auspex said: Oooo...maybe a bit of very worn mammoth tooth root? I'm not sure which part of the loph might be ( if it's that), the root to the crown or the crown to the root junction, but the more I look, the more I see the proboscidean character. I'm guessing it might be the latter. 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Now I think I see it, the root, if I compare it with the root shown in Figure 1 below (the lateral longitudinal groove of it). If it's that, congratulations, Sir! 1 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, abyssunder said: Now I think I see it, the root, if I compare it with the root shown in Figure 1 below (the lateral longitudinal groove of it). If it's that, congratulations, Sir! That would be fantastic! I can see what you mean for sure, thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It's a possibility, but its density seems more like dentin than bone... I also do not know what a cross section of a mammoth tooth root looks like, but I do know that large reptile teeth have a canal much like the mystery piece. 2 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 It really looks like the first photo posted by @abyssunder. It's a nice find ! "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, fifbrindacier said: It really looks like the first photo posted by @abyssunder. It's a nice find ! Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I still don't know.... "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Auspex said: I still don't know.... I would be just as happy with large worn reptile tooth!, I just haven't seen any examples like this piece. I'm going to post a few more pics in a short while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 My own impression is of the anterior fang of the root of a carnivore carnassial, likely a dire wolf. 3 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: My own impression is of the anterior fang of the root of a carnivore carnassial, likely a dire wolf. I saw this picture online and thought that root looked very similar in shape, I wish I could look closer,that would be a fantastic find for me as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The problem with beach finds often is the poor shape they are in that makes identification impossible sometimes. Then when you add in the different ages of the fossils found at Myrtle Beach it becomes even tougher. There is Cretaceous PeeDee, the Pliocene Goose Creek Limestone, the early Pleistocene Waccamaw Formation and the middle Pleistocene Canepatch Formation. I will agree that it is not a croc tooth and that is is a well worn and broken part of some type of fossil. Anything beyond that is purely speculation. 2 Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, sixgill pete said: The problem with beach finds often is the poor shape they are in that makes identification impossible sometimes. Then when you add in the different ages of the fossils found at Myrtle Beach it becomes even tougher. There is Cretaceous PeeDee, the Pliocene Goose Creek Limestone, the early Pleistocene Waccamaw Formation and the middle Pleistocene Canepatch Formation. I will agree that it is not a croc tooth and that is is a well worn and broken part of some type of fossil. Anything beyond that is purely speculation. ummmmmm Cretaceous! If only our favorite river wasn't above 18' and forecast to be at 19' soon. Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, sixgill pete said: The problem with beach finds often is the poor shape they are in that makes identification impossible sometimes. Then when you add in the different ages of the fossils found at Myrtle Beach it becomes even tougher. There is Cretaceous PeeDee, the Pliocene Goose Creek Limestone, the early Pleistocene Waccamaw Formation and the middle Pleistocene Canepatch Formation. I will agree that it is not a croc tooth and that is is a well worn and broken part of some type of fossil. Anything beyond that is purely speculation. I know, speculation is all that can be had for many fossils but that doesn't mean it's uninformative, I appreciate hearing all of the ideas people have, I only post fossils that I'm very unsure of and so usually they are tough if not impossible to identify. I don't take any one answer to be undeniable truth but rather weigh all of the options presented and make my best educated guess for labeling purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, SailingAlongToo said: ummmmmm Cretaceous! If only our favorite river wasn't above 18' and forecast to be at 19' soon. Jack, I am jonesing for the water to go down. Go a couple of really nice ecphora and a few other cool things on the the day before it went back up. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingAlongToo Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, sixgill pete said: Jack, I am jonesing for the water to go down. Go a couple of really nice ecphora and a few other cool things on the the day before it went back up. Theresa is jonesing to add some NC ecphora to her collection......... hint...... hint...... We need to get you up this way for a weekend with us. Trevor aka @Daleksec found this "little beauty" Sunday afternoon at one of my spots on another river we hunt. It's his 2nd in a week. Don't know much about history Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books......... Sam Cooke - (What A) Wonderful World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jazfossilator said: I know, speculation is all that can be had for many fossils but that doesn't mean it's uninformative, I appreciate hearing all of the ideas people have, I only post fossils that I'm very unsure of and so usually they are tough if not impossible to identify. I don't take any one answer to be undeniable truth but rather weigh all of the options presented and make my best educated guess for labeling purposes. Most fossils that are not worn can be identified at least to Family or Genus. But worn fossils can be tricky. Especially when it is only part of the fossil. It could be part of a broken root as Harry stated. It could also be other things. If it were in my collection it would be labeled with date found, where found and fossil undetermined. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Im more inclined to think direwolf tooth root, the shape is spot on and the fold I mentioned earlier is present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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