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20 minutes ago, Nimravis said:

Sorry, but not to me- but seeing that it is soft bodied, you have to say that it is great- :)

Exactly! You could send it to me if you don't think much of it and are not willing to try breaking off that piece that still covers the worm!  ;)   BTW what did you use to clean the white stuff off, vinegar? You may have already said but I don't know how far back I would have to look for that info..

Is it not preserved well enough to determine the ID?

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2 minutes ago, Wrangellian said:

Exactly! You could send it to me if you don't think much of it and are not willing to try breaking off that piece that still covers the worm!  ;)   BTW what did you use to clean the white stuff off, vinegar? You may have already said but I don't know how far back I would have to look for that info..

Is it not preserved well enough to determine the ID?

I will not try to break that piece off and that is why I posted a pic of the entire concretion put back together to show how it broke. This one opened real easy and I feel that the tail end might bend downwards and a strike if the hammer would destroy it, and believe me, I mess up a lot of worms that I do not take pics of and just toss because of the damage- that is the proble using a hammer.

 

As far as ID, I took a quick look at it when I opened it and I would say that it is the "Plain Worm" Astreptoscolex anasillosus.

 

As far as cleaning, when I clean flora I will occasionally use vinegar, but when it comes to fauna, and if I decide to try and clean it, like this worm, I use a soft bristle tooth brush and water.

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On 10/22/2018 at 11:35 PM, jdp said:

I wonder if this might be a somewhat decayed Tullimonstrum

 

I was wondering this too.  Or a jelly?

 

Cheers,

Rich

 

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On 10/22/2018 at 8:10 PM, Nimravis said:

Here is something odd that was inside this concretion and I have never seen this type of inclusion, I believe that the fossil portion is coprolite, though I do not recognize the white pieces.

 

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I've seen something similar described as eggs.  It could be mineralization.  Are they flat or do they have some relief?

 

Cheers,

Rich

 

 

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12 minutes ago, stats said:

I've seen something similar described as eggs.  It could be mineralization.  Are they flat or do they have some relief?

Rich that is what I thought they looked like, but unlike you, I have never seen anything like them before. They do not have any relief, just flat.

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9 hours ago, stats said:

I've seen something similar described as eggs.  It could be mineralization.  Are they flat or do they have some relief?

 

Cheers,

Rich

Rich here are a couple examples of concretions in my collection of Mazonova helmichus, the above piece looks totally different. @RCFossils what do you think?

 

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1 minute ago, RCFossils said:

Another interesting piece!

i do not think these are eggs. They might be insect castings.

 

LOL- You must have been replying as I was typing and adding you.

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25 minutes ago, Nimravis said:

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Rich here are a couple examples of concretions in my collection of Mazonova helmichus, the above piece looks totally different. @RCFossils what do you think?

 

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This is what I've seen previously.  Agreed probably not eggs.

 

Cheers,

Rich

 

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2 hours ago, RCFossils said:

They might be insect castings.

I can agree with that as a possibility.

In these next 2 nodules, the first may also be castings (random arrangement but basically in a line) however the second could be a clutch of amphibian eggs.

I don't see how one could ever know for sure.

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22 minutes ago, Innocentx said:

I can agree with that as a possibility.

In these next 2 nodules, the first may also be castings (random arrangement but basically in a line) however the second could be a clutch of amphibian eggs.

I don't see how one could ever know for sure.

The last two pics are properly identified. It is the the other one that I have never run across it in the thousands of concretions I have opened over the years.

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2 minutes ago, Nimravis said:

The last two pics are properly identified.

I missed that sorry. Those are pretty cool.

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The only thing I've seen that looks similar to these rod shaped inclusions are external parasitic wasp larvae which spin a cocoon for protection.

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1 hour ago, Innocentx said:

The only thing I've seen that looks similar to these rod shaped inclusions are external parasitic wasp larvae which spin a cocoon for protection.

I agree and I have wasp larva from the Oligocene of Wyoming. I collected it about 20 years ago while collecting with a Paleontologist from Douglas, Wyoming. The pieces from there are loose and a lot larger, but the same shape.

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4 hours ago, Nimravis said:

I agree and I have wasp larva from the Oligocene of Wyoming. I collected it about 20 years ago while collecting with a Paleontologist from Douglas, Wyoming. The pieces from there are loose and a lot larger, but the same shape.

So such things can be fossilized. That's very interesting!

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1 hour ago, Innocentx said:

So such things can be fossilized. That's very interesting!

Here is one in matrix and two that are loose. Again, they came from the Badlands of Douglas, Wyoming.

 

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Wow! Yes they are a lot larger. Thanks for posting these!!

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On 10/22/2018 at 8:10 PM, Nimravis said:

Here is something odd that was inside this concretion and I have never seen this type of inclusion, I believe that the fossil portion is coprolite, though I do not recognize the white pieces.

 

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Is this terrestrial or aquatic? Since they are next to a coprolite, could they be some sort of larvae?

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37 minutes ago, GeschWhat said:

Is this terrestrial or aquatic? Since they are next to a coprolite, could they be some sort of larvae?

That is what I am currently trying to find out.

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After going to Dave's Rock Shop today I was able to get in about an hours worth of opening concretions from Pit 4 (Shadow Lakes), nothing special was found today, here are a couple pieces of flora that I found.

 

Pecopteris-

 

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Neuropteris-

 

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Cyclopteris-

 

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Cordaites-

 

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Bark-

 

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Although I did not find anything special today, the vast majority of concretions that I opened this evening contained fossils- These concretions were collected from Pit 4 (Shadow Lakes).

 

Macroneuropteris-

 

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Pecopteris-

 

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Bark-

 

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Bark with Neuropteris-

 

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Lycopod Leaves-

 

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Coprolite-

 

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It has been a few days since I was able to go through any buckets. Today I started on a bucket that I collected back in 1991 from Pit 11. When collecting at Pit 11, I would pick up any type of concretion that I came across. Many times I will pick up concretions that were cracked open by other collectors, some of the concretions would contain nice fossils, other times I find more common fossils such as Essexella asherae Jellyfish- here are some examples that we in this bucket.

 

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Here is an example of a nice fossil that was opened by another collector, but did not think the fossil was anything special and just left it. So far I only have halve, the other halve may still be in the bucket.

 

Millipede, I believe Euphoberia sp.

 

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Achistrum sp. Sea Cucumber 

 

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Mazonomya mazonensis Bivalve-

 

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Sedgwickia sp. Bivalve-

 

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Poorly preserved worm-

 

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Bark-

 

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On 10/21/2018 at 11:14 PM, Nimravis said:

I agree, the smallest concretions sometimes have some great things.

Me too.

This little leaf is very beautiful. :wub:

Life's Good!

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On 10/22/2018 at 2:04 AM, Nimravis said:

I spent a good part of the day cracking concretions and what has been the case with the last couple days,

 

 

Here are pics of some other finds. Here is a hash plate that contains the subsurface of the non vascular plant Taeniophyllum latifolium (Checkerboard Sections). I never keep these pieces, but decided that I should have at least one example.

 

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Hopefully I will find something Sexy in the next couple days- I don't care if it is fauna or flora.

 

I actually rather like these. Non-vascular plants are of great interest to me.

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