Jazfossilator Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 This was found by my father some years ago at a spot on lake Champlain. Oddly this bone is definitely mineralized or at least partially mineralized, though fossil bones and such are very VERY rare to find in Vermont, it can happen in specific conditions, as was the case with a mammoth tusk found in a peat bog in Brattleboro, VT. And whale bones found on the lake as well. Any clues on this would be greatly appreciated, he’s been wondering for years, and I must say I’m pretty interested by this find since fossilized bone is so rare in my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I am not seeing bone in this. It looks like a very weathered piece of fossiliferous limestone. I think I can see some crinoid prints, burrows and brachiopod steinkerns. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, ynot said: I am not seeing bone in this. It looks like a very weathered piece of fossiliferous limestone. I think I can see some crinoid prints, burrows and brachiopod steinkerns. Definitely bone, some of the connecting porous fibers are still intact. Also very different from any of the preservations of those things you mentioned above in my area. The photos may be deceiving, but if you held it you’d know it was bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I’m sorry but I’m not seeing a bone either. The beluga whale fossil found in Vermont was found in the soft clays to the south (which was under the “Champlain sea”) +1 for weathered fossiliferous limestone “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I humbly disagree. It does not look like marrow and the shape does not fit any bone I have seen. Wait for others to reply. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 I’ll have to disagree with you both on that one, not out of saltyness I promise haha, rather this is not the right material, texture or consistency for what you are saying. 2 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: I’m sorry but I’m not seeing a bone either. The beluga whale fossil found in Vermont was found in the soft clays to the south (which was under the “Champlain sea”) +1 for weathered fossiliferous limestone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I'm going to add my voice to the 'not a bone' chorus. I'm just not seeing the correct texture for bone. -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, ynot said: I humbly disagree. It does not look like marrow and the shape does not fit any bone I have seen. Wait for others to reply. Understandable, and I appreciate the opinion! I was very confused by it to be honest, the shape isn’t like any bone Ive seen either. Just having dealt with a lot of bones fossilized and not, I am convinced this is one based on texture, consistency, weight, and coloration(which doesn’t match the fossiliferous limestones on those beaches). Perhaps it’s worn or broken in a strange way, or perhaps you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 If you have any vinegar, try putting a drop on it. If mineralized bone, it probably won’t bubble. If limestone it most likely will. 1 “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: If you have any vinegar, try putting a drop on it. If mineralized bone, it probably won’t bubble. If limestone it most likely will. No bubbles, thanks for the tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: If mineralized bone, it probably won’t bubble. This is true, but it is still not a bone. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 What would these fibers be if not bone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Looks bony to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bony_labyrinth 2 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, ynot said: This is true, but it is still not a bone. I said probably because I have a whale bone replaced by calcium carbonate rich rock, which would vigorously bubble. 13 minutes ago, Jazfossilator said: No bubbles, thanks for the tip! No problem! This tells us it’s not calcium carbonate (limestone). Could still be a variety of other rocks. Still doesn’t look like bone to me. But I have been wrong many time before. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jazfossilator said: What would these fibers be if not bone? Infill between minerals that have eroded out or minerals that form fibrous structures. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I'm not saying this is fossil or whale bone but I do believe it's bone. @Boesse may be the one to ask. 2 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Breakin' Rocks Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 It's crazy the way shapes will play tricks on you I initially thought it looked like a whale ear bone .. but there isn't any way this might be a periotic bone ? (it sounds like rare for bones is an understatement in that area) .... I would want to rule that out just to be sure. Bobby would be the best bet. Cheers, B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I see more ppossibility of bone than you other guys, but if it is bone it is definitely a weird shape. Bobby? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Definitely not bone; the texture is not right. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I really doubt this is a bone from the looks and it being from Vermont is almost a breaker for even the possibility. Dr. Boessenecker is where the buck stops though when it comes to cetaceans. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Thats awesome! I am pretty sure it is a periotic...let me see if I have a piece and photo that looks similar. Seems like I have one that is horse/camel with the same strange canals... Regards, Chris 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 @Harry Pristis, @Boesse Y'all got any ideas on this? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 So here are some photos of the periotic I have. Yours appears to be much more complete. I guess I could be wrong with the periotic ID as I have been oh so many times before. I dont know that they are from the same critter but wanted to show for comparison purposes. The first photo shows a similar narrow canal that runs around the fragment. A firm ID to Genus level wasnt possible on mine as a result of the incompleteness. Here is a fragment of a dugong periotic6 photos with similar types of structures/textures. Hoping Bobby, Harry or someone else can narrow it down for you. I agree that when they get worn and are only fragments they just look like odd geologic blobs. Looking forward to seeing what yours turns out to be.... Regards, Chris 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Plantguy said: I am pretty sure it is a periodic. I hate it when I am wrong! But I think Chris has it on this piece. Had to be a big critter to have an ear bone that large. 5 hours ago, Jazfossilator said: The photos may be deceiving, but if you held it you’d know it was bone. You have My apologies Sir, I was wrong. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazfossilator Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 Thank you all for answering! 7 hours ago, ynot said: I hate it when I am wrong! But I think Chris has it on this piece. Had to be a big critter to have an ear bone that large. You have My apologies Sir, I was wrong. No worries my friend, happens to the best. 8 hours ago, Plantguy said: So here are some photos of the periotic I have. Yours appears to be much more complete. I guess I could be wrong with the periotic ID as I have been oh so many times before. I dont know that they are from the same critter but wanted to show for comparison purposes. The first photo shows a similar narrow canal that runs around the fragment. A firm ID to Genus level wasnt possible on mine as a result of the incompleteness. Here is a fragment of a dugong periotic6 photos with similar types of structures/textures. Hoping Bobby, Harry or someone else can narrow it down for you. I agree that when they get worn and are only fragments they just look like odd geologic blobs. Looking forward to seeing what yours turns out to be.... Regards, Chris Thank you very much for sharing that piece and helping me figure this thing out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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