Crazyhen Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 This plate is from Douhugou of Liaoning. Two mosquitoes. Are they genuine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 @oilshale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I would say they look genuine to me. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I can't see any obvious red flags. I say real. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 It’s pretty amazing to see that mosquitoes could be preserved so well, you can see it’s antennae and mouthpart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpenn Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 The preservation is excellent, it looks just like one I could have smashed into my wall on a hot summer night. I think it's part and counterpart of one individual instead of two different mosquitoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone guy Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Now if only there was some dino blood in that sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitch1979 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, jpenn said: I think it's part and counterpart of one individual instead of two different mosquitoes. I second that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilSniper Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, jpenn said: The preservation is excellent, it looks just like one I could have smashed into my wall on a hot summer night. I think it's part and counterpart of one individual instead of two different mosquitoes. Smart! I did not see that. Good spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Very nice! The earliest mosquito is described in Mid-Cretaceous Burmese amber. Daohugou is estimated from the late Jurassic to early Cretaceous, ~30 My older. Borkent, A., & Grimaldi, D.A. 2004 The earliest fossil mosquito (Diptera: Culicidae), in Mid-Cretaceous Burmese amber. Annals of the Entomological Society of America, 97(5):882-888 PDF LINK Is it really a mosquito or perhaps something else? @FossilDAWG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Very nice Mossy's!!! About as real as they can be! RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 These are incredible!!! Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 They look much too detailed/well-preserved to be fake. Very nice. Definitely part and counterpart of the same specimen. Keep them together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spongy Joe Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Beautiful specimens... but they ain't mozzies! Mosquitoes are flies, i.e. Diptera; the name means two-winged, because the second pair of wings is reduced to little gyroscopes called halteres. These have four wings, so they're something else entirely... but what? The dark patch on each wing should be the pterostigma... but it should be on the leading edge, not the hind edge, suggesting that the wings are twizzled round. That's weird, but possible. I'm trying to work out which order of insects this is, but am struggling. Hymenoptera normally have a pterostigma only on the forewing, for example, whereas lacewings (which might otherwise fit quite well) have... well, lacy wings. Can you see any mouthparts? That might help a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 some kind of mesochrysopid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spongy Joe Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, doushantuo said: some kind of mesochrysopid? Not with that venation, Ben... at least, it doesn't make sense for any neuropterans I've seen, and I think the venation is shared across the group. Still baffled! There is a book in our library on the Jehol Biota; I'll hopefully be able to get a look at it tomorrow. Edit: have called in some reinforcements, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I jest might have the largest Mesozoic insect literature bibliobase of any Forum member . And yes,i realized it couldn't be a mesochrysopid,but i find mistakes,particularly my own, can be/are informative Can recommend those interested in Liaoning Neuroptera the Makarkin 2012 CretRes piece edit: if it's from Kezuo,you might need Youchong Hong's pieces,Joe(Professional Papers in Paleontology and Straigraphy series) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 NB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Eoptychopteran?(Yes,I know,but let me fall flat on my face once more.I love that) gives me an excuse to threadjack Bring in D.Ren,I say. Why "D"? Because of automatic censorship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Do not worry, your fossil is 100% real. But I do not think it's a mosquito, but in my opinion it's a Dipteran fossil, also known as "crane fly". And some representatives still live today: For comparison purposes, here is a fossil of "crane fly" that belongs to my private collection, which was discovered in Yixian Formation, Huangbangi Valley, Beipiao, Liaoning Province of China: Congratulations , you have a beautiful fossil in your hands! Sibirobittacus atalus? Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I can't deny the resemblance,Seg.Wing venation,certain unmentionable parts,setation,there's a whole lot going on in insect systematics. BTW<the above image is form Martynov(1924),Mesoraphidia elongata,sex not determined For a different taphonomy(Bechly knows his stuff,BTW,HIGHLY HIGHLY recommended,cited by e.g. Makarkin("Systematics as by Bechly")) or,direct ISE-Raphidioptera.pdf(2,something Mb) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spongy Joe Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Unfortunately, it doesn't get around the fact that this has four wings and therefore isn't a dipteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Noted,as before,but I'll use any old excuse to be in and stay in a thread on a worldfamous lagerstatt It's not pyritized,BTW.A lot of Jehol insects are pyritized(Wang/Palaios/2012,Pm me if you want that one,Joe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spongy Joe Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Still haven't got an answer, myself. The venation (what I can see of it) reminds me of a psocopteran, but the rest is just not right (at least for modern ones). Intriguing thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Throw in "Stem group".Nah,jest kiddin' Btw: do those wings classify as "hyaline"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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