Omnomosaurus Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Hey folks, Thought I'd run it by the forum experts as to whether you agree with the Carcharodontosaurid label for my new acquisition (which it was sold as)? Locality is the usual Kem Kem beds, Morocco. Serration density- Mesial: 10/5mm Distal: 9/5mm Distal serrations run to the base, while the mesial serrations end about 3/4 of the way down the carinae. It's a chunky little thing, but I gather Carch teeth can occasionally be on the more robust side....but I'll let you judge: Side Views: Base: Distal: Mesial: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone guy Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 It looks like Charcharodontosaurid. The base looks very round, but I believe this would make this tooth a premaxillary, meaning it would be in the front of the animals jaw. But I'm now expert so let others give their opinions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bone guy said: It looks like Charcharodontosaurid. The base looks very round, but I believe this would make this tooth a premaxillary, meaning it would be in the front of the animals jaw. But I'm now expert so let others give their opinions. Thanks Bone Guy! I couldn't remember where in the mouth thicker Carch teeth would be found, but you're probably right. I've looked over the table for Kem Kem teeth made by @Troodon, but can't decide on which example mine is closest to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 That's a nice tooth! I'm not great on teeth, but I think the id is likely correct. I miss Wales, sometimes. But not the weather! Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Being a cymrufile,I must object to the slightly disparaging remark about the weather in that part of the world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, doushantuo said: Being a cymrufile,I must object to the slightly disparaging remark about the weather in that part of the world I don't see what is wrong with the weather in Wales. I lived there for three years and you could always rely on the weather, it was remarkably constant and never too hot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: That's a nice tooth! I'm not great on teeth, but I think the id is likely correct. I miss Wales, sometimes. But not the weather! Thanks! Haha yeah, it's a pretty wonderful place, but we do get a ridiculous amount of rain. Saying that, the weather has by-and-large been great the last few weeks....probably not a patch on what you have in Morocco though! 17 minutes ago, doushantuo said: Being a cymrufile,I must object to the slightly disparaging remark about the weather in that part of the world We are famed for the rain (and sheep) though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, doushantuo said: Being a cymrufile,I must object to the slightly disparaging remark about the weather in that part of the world Just now, Taogan said: I don't see what is wrong with the weather in Wales. I lived there for three years and you could always rely on the weather, it was remarkably constant and never too hot. Just now, Omnomosaurus said: Thanks! Haha yeah, it's a pretty wonderful place, but we do get a ridiculous amount of rain. Saying that, the weather has by-and-large been great the last few weeks....probably not a patch on what you have in Morocco though! We are famed for the rain (and sheep) though. It rains so, so much! And it's often bitterly cold. Summer lasts for about 6 hours. It never gets above 40°, not ever. Brrrrrrrr. No thanks! But i do miss the sheep. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: It rains so, so much! And it's often bitterly cold. Summer lasts for about 6 hours. It never gets above 40°, not ever. Brrrrrrrr. No thanks! But i do miss the sheep. Yup! Recently it's been on average between 18-20°c most days (and dry), which is super out of the ordinary. Probably the first real taste of summer we've had since 2015 or 16. Fossil hunts here feel strange if there's no mud involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 49 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: It never gets above 40°, not ever. Celsius or Fahrenheit??? Because any place that is above 30°C is a no-no for me. 40°C is my doomfall. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, Max-fossils said: Celsius or Fahrenheit??? Because any place that is above 30°C is a no-no for me. 40°C is my doomfall. I feel more comfortable above 40°C. Below 30 is not warm enough for me. Or Tidgy. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: I feel more comfortable above 40°C. Below 30 is not warm enough for me. Or Tidgy. Wow... Seems like Tidgy's reptilian temperature needs rubbed off on you!!! But seriously, above 30 degrees is too warm for me. Yesterday, while doing my exam, it was about 25 degrees in the room and I was sweating like someone who had just done a full triathlon. My ideal temperature is 15 degrees. Just right for fossil hunting! 1 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I think this is from a large bodied abelsauridae. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I'm leaning against this being a Carcharodontosaurid or abessaurid tooth. The denticles do not match other anterior teeth I've seen and the mesial carina should extend to the base. Looks more like an anterior tooth of what I call morph type 3. Theropod indet. Isolated teeth from the Kem Kem are a difficult call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Troodon said: I'm leaning against this being a Carcharodontosaurid or abessaurid tooth. The denticles do not match other anterior teeth I've seen and the mesial carina should extend to the base. Looks more like an anterior tooth of what I call morph type 3. Theropod indet. Isolated teeth from the Kem Kem are a difficult call. Thanks Troodon! I know you have a lot more experience with tooth morphology than most. That table of yours is a fantastic reference guide to theropods from this formation. That's what I love about the Kem Kem; there's just so much we still have to discover about life there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I must say it does look a little weird. But I would nonetheless lean towards Carcharodontosaurid. 1 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 Since I was messing around with my camera, I decided to update this old thread with a few extra pics of this weirdo Carch/unknown tooth. It's still weird and still a favourite of mine. Mesial margin: Distal margin: Lingual & labial sides (note the fresh blemish on the enamel that just happened ): View from above - good view of the displaced carinae: Close up of denticle shape (distal midline): 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Those closeup of the serrations look identical to other Carcharodontosaurids teeth I have. So Im leaning that way and still an anterior dentary tooth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, Troodon said: Those closeup of the serrations look identical to other Carcharodontosaurids teeth I have. So Im leaning that way and still an anterior dentary tooth. Cheers, Troodon! I've got it labelled as Carcharodontosaurid indet, so that's good to know. Hopefully the photos can be a good comparison for anyone with similar Carch teeth in future, since I haven't seen many like this one around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimin013 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Very nice tooth some of the best serrations I've seen on teeth from this location and from a collection on the forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnomosaurus Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Jaimin013 said: Very nice tooth some of the best serrations I've seen on teeth from this location and from a collection on the forum. Thanks! It certainly has the best serrations out of everything I own from the Kem Kem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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