Jesuslover340 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 So we ventured out this last Saturday and had a bit of luck. We chanced upon a poor bit of bone protruding from an unusual deposit and went to uncover more of it to see the extent of which it went into the soil. After a time, it started to look like an upside-down Diprotodontid jaw: So we finished up the property and went to get a late lunch; we decided we would come back to put it in a plaster jacket. I later decided it would get too cold and dark for me to be of much help (I can barely yield "Maximus"-our giant pick-and am quite out of my element in the dark), but @Ash and a friend of ours decided to head back around 3:30 p.m. (Brisbane time) to at least get it pedestalled and plastered. They left the jacket to dry during the night after having finished at about 7-7:30. The following morning, Ash and I headed back out with a sturdy garden fork to dig under the jacket and flip it over. I had had the idea of taking a wheelbarrow down to carry it back to the vehicle (which was a ways away because we couldn't drive directly to the site due to the terrain) the night prior, but we had forgotten it, so Ash was dreading carrying it (I'm only about 110 pounds, and this jacket weighed much more than I, so I was not going to be of much help in hauling it back...I resorted to carrying the fork back and paving the easiest trail back to the vehicle for Ash). Anyways...we did manage to get under it and flip it over, which was a relief. The jacket had worked. Then we both hoped-if it was a jaw indeed-that it had teeth! But our first task was getting it back to the vehicle, so we made many stops along the way until we could leave it at a place we could go get the vehicle and drive back to: We got back to the house, rested a bit, and then started on prep. This was a BIG jacket: And it would prove to be an unusual prep. We had never come across such a mix of soils. Clay, white rock, charcoal-like clay, and black nodules with orange inside them. Finally, we found...a tooth! We grew excited. All the work for the plaster jacket was worth it if the jaw had teeth, and it seemed it did. But as time wore on, our excitement was quelled by the difficulty of determining what was bone...and what wasn't. And what was bone was so soft! And...deformed? We started finding more teeth (a beautiful black-blue), but they weren't arranged appropriately: And as always, so many cracks! But when we started towards the back of the jaw(s), we started to realize things were getting really "wonky"...what were we to make of this? Where was the bone going (obviously not where it should be)? After sending a few pics to the QLD Museum curator to see what he thought, we decided to call it a night last night. So far as we can discern (with the help of Scott, the curator), we think it is Diprotodon, but it's unusually small and has odd preservation. Time will tell us more, hopefully, so we'll keep this page updated. Right now we are waiting for it to dry so we can apply paraloid to help stabilize it. We just tried to remove as much clay as possible so that when it does dry, it doesn't crack the fossil further. Here's a 15 cm ruler for scale where we stopped: "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Magnificent! I'm eagerly looking forward to further progress! -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hoping that there is enough of the front of the jaw remaining that it can join back together. It’ll be a bit smooshed in places but should be a pretty nice specimen for the area. "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 You guys find some of the coolest stuff!!! RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 That is another amazing piece. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Another awesome find! Good luck helping that wombat see light again! “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Congratulations on this find! Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Nice report on a nice find guys. Looking forward to seeing the cleaned item. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 @Jesuslover340 it just dawned on me that the bones your digging seem to be buried in common everyday ole top soil. May I ask how these fossils got buried and fossilized? RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, RJB said: @Jesuslover340 it just dawned on me that the bones your digging seem to be buried in common everyday ole top soil. May I ask how these fossils got buried and fossilized? RB Well, you wouldn't be wrong. I suppose the fossilization process is all the same...but the reason so many fossils in Aus are found in top soil is because of the properties of a specific top soil called "blacksoil". It's great for farming and finding fossils, but dreadful to get bogged down in. Horrible for houses, too. "Blacksoil" is kind of like a mix between clay and regular (but rich) soil. When it rains, it expands. When it dries, it cracks-deep. Water penetrates these cracks during the next rain. Between this action and the absorption action, you kind of get a natural soil rotation-that brings up fossils from deeper layers. "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 And thanks everyone! It should be dry enough soon to continue prep "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 Took a bit more matrix off today and cleaned up around the teeth. Then we applied a bit of paraloid and wrapped it up until next time. We're at that stage where more minute work is needed and it will be slow-going from here on out. At the moment, it looks like it might not be Diprotodon : "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Strange looking teeth on that critter! Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Heya Tony, I like the colour of them. We’re at a bit of a pause, the 2 bits that extend to the edge of the jacket are both mashes of bone and we’re unsure how to best go about dealing with them. The other topic at hand is the front end - at present, as you can see, they’re twisted from proper alignment. But is there enough bone there to reconnect them properly? If we go back to the first post when they are still in the ground then you can see there may be no bone between them.. so the thing is - glue them how they are positioned or seperate them and hope for the best but risk ending up with 2 seperate pieces? Cheers, Troy "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 @Ash and @Jesuslover340, you two find some of the coolest stuff. Australia has some real oddities (extant and extinct). I’m jealous. Working with Pleistocene material can be extremely taxing. In a few million years, the soil will be lithified, and the bones fully mineralized but right now, you get the benefit of neither scenario! You two are a good example of the patience required to prep this material. Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Heya @Ptychodus04, Not wrong there - that Pliocene stuff is hard! I’m still planning on sending you some, haven’t forgotten! "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 59 minutes ago, Ash said: Heya @Ptychodus04, Not wrong there - that Pliocene stuff is hard! I’m still planning on sending you some, haven’t forgotten! No worries. I'm almost literally digging out from under a pile of prep work right now anyways and it looks like I may be getting a partial phytosaur to prep, restore, and mount in late summer. Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Another phytosaur!? You’ve no idea how much I love phytos! Especially with the skull shape of the last one you did. "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macrophyseter Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 It's surprising how many good fossils can easily be found in Australia by virtually anyone brave enough to venture out, considering that a huge portion of the country is undeveloped and uncivilized, that leaves plenty of space to dig the bones. If you're a fossil nut from Palos Verdes, San Pedro, Redondo Beach, or Torrance, feel free to shoot me a PM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ash said: Another phytosaur!? You’ve no idea how much I love phytos! Especially with the skull shape of the last one you did. This one should be really cool. There appears to be the majority of the skull with a fair amount of post cranial material well preserved. Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I’ll bust out some popcorn! We’ll be finishing this up Saturday hopefully - if all goes well! "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/28/2018 at 3:19 AM, Ash said: I’ll bust out some popcorn! We’ll be finishing this up Saturday hopefully - if all goes well! It's Saturday for you now, what's taking so long? I need something to take my mind off my honey do list. I finished my 3 day fence rebuild today and I already have more tasks assigned! I'm going to insist on some prep time this weekend or I'm filing a formal complaint. Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 It’ll be done today don’t worry! "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Took a fair bit outta the middle, ya happy? "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 @Ptychodus04 We’re doing it at the moment. "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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