Cthulhu2 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 What do you guys think? I thought great white but this root is throwing me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I’m not sure that two topics are necessary, I’m sure more will reply on the first “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu2 Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: I’m not sure that two topics are necessary, I’m sure more will reply on the first Oh I know, I'm just excited! I can't delete the first one unfortunately (but I did hide it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, Cthulhu2 said: Oh I know, I'm just excited! I can't delete the first one unfortunately (but I did hide it!) That’s fine, it’s a tooth worth excitement either way. ImAs I said in the first one, I believe it’s a meg. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBchiefski Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The black coloration is very common in Megalodon teeth due to high levels of phosphates present in the sediments where they were deposited. Black is also very rare for Great White teeth as a recently shed tooth starts out white and takes a great deal of time to change color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The serrations this tooth say great white to me, not megalodon. 1 Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, CBchiefski said: The black coloration is very common in Megalodon teeth due to high levels of phosphates present in the sediments where they were deposited. Black is also very rare for Great White teeth as a recently shed tooth starts out white and takes a great deal of time to change color. This is not true. Megalodon come in all colors. Tan / cream is one of the most common colors here in N.C. even from the Lee Creek mine, which is a phosphate mine. There is a place hete in NC where black colored great whites are extremely common. 2 Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, CBchiefski said: Black is also very rare for Great White teeth as a recently shed tooth starts out white and takes a great deal of time to change color. Well it is a fossil, I have one black GW fossil and another one coming in the mail. Edit: Sixgill Pete beat me to it. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I should say I base my Meg prediction on the root shape. I haven’t seen a GW with that much curve in its root, though I’ve only seen a handful. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBchiefski Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, sixgill pete said: This is not true. Megalodon come in all colors. Tan / cream is one of the most common colors here in N.C. even from the Lee Creek mine, which is a phosphate mine. There is a place hete in NC where black colored great whites are extremely common. 5 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: Well it is a fossil, I have one black GW fossil and another one coming in the mail. Edit: Sixgill Pete beat me to it. Sorry if I was unclear, am not saying they only come in black, just that is one of the most common overall in the US. Yes, Great White Teeth come in black however such color is not common generally speaking. Of course with tens of thousands of teeth found a full range of colors have been observed. There is a reason I did not state the tooth was Meg based solely on color. If you would like I can find the peer reviewed paper which came to this conclusion through looking at shark teeth across the entire US east coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, CBchiefski said: If you would like I can find the peer reviewed paper which came to this conclusion through looking at shark teeth across the entire US east coast. I’d like to see that, I have actually never seen a east coast fossil GW other than black, except one from Summerville which I believe had been bleached by plant roots. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu2 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 You know, I didn't include a side picture. Also the background change may help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 It seems like a great white to me. The serrations stick out of the crown more on great whites. Megs have serrations that are more built into the crown. It is flatter than most megs, although hubbell-shaped Megs can be flat too. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, CBchiefski said: Sorry if I was unclear, am not saying they only come in black, just that is one of the most common overall in the US. Yes, Great White Teeth come in black however such color is not common generally speaking. Of course with tens of thousands of teeth found a full range of colors have been observed. There is a reason I did not state the tooth was Meg based solely on color. If you would like I can find the peer reviewed paper which came to this conclusion through looking at shark teeth across the entire US east coast. I've found hundreds of modern Great White teeth, 75% are black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, Cthulhu2 said: You know, I didn't include a side picture. Also the background change may help as well. Side shot Has the symmetry of modern Great White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, Cthulhu2 said: Yeah, I’ll switch to the white camp now, the root must’ve worn into that shape. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Gizmo said: I've found hundreds of modern Great White teeth, 75% are black. Those are modern!? Or do you mean modern species? Either way, those aren’t Maryland finds are they? Sorry, I’m too curious... “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfossilcollector Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I’m no expert but I’d say Great White shark. The serrations as well as the absence of a noticeable bourlette lead me to believe it is not a Meg tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 In my collection Great Whites seem to center the serrations with an equal bulge on each side. On most Megs the serrations are nearer to the non lingual side. Otodus Megalodon Carcharodon carcharias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBchiefski Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Ok, did a bit of quick searching and the paper was actually redacted, the reason listed was a major sampling bias and I would assume that is why they came to such a conclusion. My apologies for citing an erroneous study and fully retract my statement. Am not going to list it since it is incorrect and do not want anyone else to make the same mistake I did should they came across this thread. @sixgill pete @Cthulhu2 @WhodamanHD @Gizmo @josephstrizhak @bcfossilcollector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: Those are modern!? Or do you mean modern species? Either way, those aren’t Maryland finds are they? Sorry, I’m too curious... Carcharodon carcharias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Carcharodon carcharias. I understand now, very nice! “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, WhodamanHD said: I understand now, very nice! Though it's debatable if they're found in Maryland, these are from North Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, CBchiefski said: Ok, did a bit of quick searching and the paper was actually redacted, the reason listed was a major sampling bias and I would assume that is why they came to such a conclusion. My apologies for citing an erroneous study and fully retract my statement. Am not going to list it since it is incorrect and do not want anyone else to make the same mistake I did should they came across this thread. @sixgill pete @Cthulhu2 @WhodamanHD @Gizmo @josephstrizhak @bcfossilcollector That's no problem, thanks for checking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gizmo said: The earlier Carcharodon carcharias might have more of a u shaped root. Hastalis doesn’t usually, at least not the broad form, right? 11 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Though it's debatable if they're found in Maryland, these are from North Carolina. I figured, Maryland’s Miocene would be too early for full C. carcharias (or so I’ve been told). I have heard a few times of east coast C. hubbelli, though I’m skeptical they may be misidentified Carcharomodus escheri (genus possibly misspelled by me). “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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