shel67 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Hello all! Sunday on the North Sulphur River in Ladonia, Texas was hot and dry, but still a great day!!! Friends found some beautiful arrowheads and shark teeth! Here are a few things from my trip! I believe I have here a piece of mastodon/mammoth tooth enamel, shark tooth?, bone chunks (not sure from what), a piece of flint??? Any ideas of the specifics? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Nice, especially the mosasaur vert! “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktooth Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Ok the tooth is enchodus ( fish not shark) and you have two gastropods (snail shells) I am not sure about the rest I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktooth Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Actually the snail shells are internal molds. I do think the one item is a worn vertebrae I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heteromorph Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Great finds! The NSR is always interesting. To add to what Darktooth just said: FIGS 4-5: I have found a few of these at the NSR. I am pretty sure they are burrow infillings, i.e. trace fossils. FIGS 6 and 10: Looks like some type of pleistocene tooth enamel, possibly mammoth as you said. FIG 7-9: I am no artifacts expert, but I think I see knapping marks. It looks like a worn arrowhead, though the marks could be from tumbling in the river. FIGS 11-14: Enchodus petrosus, a large Cretaceous fish. Not a shark tooth. FIGS 15-16: Nice Mosasaur vert! FIGS 17-18: Chunkasaurus. FIG 19: Phosphatized gastropods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Top photo, top row and 3rd and 4th from left, you have Hamulus worm tubes. My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 46 minutes ago, Heteromorph said: I think I see knapping marks. It looks like a worn arrowhead It's hard to get good photos of these unless photographed in full sun at an angle that reveals the knapping. It looks like a scraper, but hard to say for sure. Very nice finds! "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 The enamel piece is definitely mammoth. -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel67 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 @Innocentx Here are some different angles taken in better light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel67 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Fruitbat said: The enamel piece is definitely mammoth. -Joe Thanks, Joe!! Always a good day when you find one of these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel67 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Heteromorph said: Great finds! The NSR is always interesting. To add to what Darktooth just said: FIGS 4-5: I have found a few of these at the NSR. I am pretty sure they are burrow infillings, i.e. trace fossils. FIGS 6 and 10: Looks like some type of pleistocene tooth enamel, possibly mammoth as you said. FIG 7-9: I am no artifacts expert, but I think I see knapping marks. It looks like a worn arrowhead, though the marks could be from tumbling in the river. FIGS 11-14: Enchodus petrosus, a large Cretaceous fish. Not a shark tooth. FIGS 15-16: Nice Mosasaur vert! FIGS 17-18: Chunkasaurus. FIG 19: Phosphatized gastropods. Thank you!!! There were so many great things to find down there since the water is all gone for the most part. The heat was just a bit much though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 If the flaking I see is human origin then it was probably turned out quickly for short time usage as a scraper. This end: "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 We used to find sites in Oregon and California full of obsidian shards that had been worked. Usually you could not discern what the piece used to be or was intended to be. These sites were used generation after generation and the amount of material was staggering. I often thought that a lot of what we saw was from teaching youngsters the knapping skill. So who knows what story is written in your specimen and flint and chert and other "eastern" materials are much harder to work with, so more opportunity for failure. Everything is generated through your own will power ~ Ray Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Walt said: I often thought that a lot of what we saw was from teaching youngsters the knapping skill. There's a hilltop near me with a fabulous view of where the buffalo roamed. Chips are everywhere along with discards that didn't flake correctly. I also think about the learning process for the younger ones, but I suppose grownups had their share of goofs. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrimarie805 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Walt said: We used to find sites in Oregon and California full of obsidian shards that had been worked. Usually you could not discern what the piece used to be or was intended to be. These sites were used generation after generation and the amount of material was staggering. I often thought that a lot of what we saw was from teaching youngsters the knapping skill. So who knows what story is written in your specimen and flint and chert and other "eastern" materials are much harder to work with, so more opportunity for failure. Of course, I can't believe that hadn't crossed my mind, I was a teacher of children myself! Thank you, the hours of examination, speculation, research, discussion, repeat, have produced few confident identifications, but this makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel67 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 minute ago, KraZshardLady said: Of course, I can't believe that hadn't crossed my mind, I was a teacher of children myself! Thank you, the hours of examination, speculation, research, discussion, repeat, have produced few confident identifications, but this makes perfect sense. It does make perfect sense!!!! This never crossed my mind either!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrimarie805 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, shel67 said: It does make perfect sense!!!! This never crossed my mind either!! I'm the skeptic at my house and this possibility has moved 50% of our items in question from the "I say rock, you say artifact" jar to the "artifact jar" in my mind. I'm sorting a few things on the shelf right now, actually, and avoiding telling my husband he might be right about some pieces, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel67 Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, KraZshardLady said: I'm the skeptic at my house and this possibility has moved 50% of our items in question from the "I say rock, you say artifact" jar to the "artifact jar" in my mind. I'm sorting a few things on the shelf right now, actually, and avoiding telling my husband he might be right about some pieces, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrimarie805 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 He found this while I was at work today, so he's feeling pretty satisfied with himself already! I'm going to make an ID post if you want to see more pics of it. I know it's a tooth and am certain it's fossilized rather than a stage of mineralization, but we'll see what the real fossil people have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Can You take pictures straight on to the sides and ends? The oblique angle this picture is at makes it hard to see the necessary details. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel67 Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, KraZshardLady said: He found this while I was at work today, so he's feeling pretty satisfied with himself already! I'm going to make an ID post if you want to see more pics of it. I know it's a tooth and am certain it's fossilized rather than a stage of mineralization, but we'll see what the real fossil people have to say. Wow! This is very cool looking! It does look like some sort of tooth. I’m eager to see what the pros say as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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