Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Hoping to ID the central object in this photo. It appears to be broken towards the narrower end. It has grooves running the length of it. It's approximately 1 mm or less in length. Lower Permian, Cottonwood member, Council grove group, Kansas. 2 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilsAnonymous Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Location and formation? On The Hunt For The Trophy Otodus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, FossilsAnonymous said: Location and formation? see tags 1 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilsAnonymous Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Innocentx said: see tags Thanks, sorry. That was dumb 1 On The Hunt For The Trophy Otodus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 I should mention... marine environment, though there are indications of nearby shoreline. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Possible small fragment of a dorsal spine of shark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Innocentx said: see tags Most people overlook the tags, which are designed to make searches more accurate for people searching specific things. It is always best to include the pertinent information in the body of the first post. 2 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Troodon said: Possible small fragment of a dorsal spine of shark. Thanks. My fragment with it's grooves is so small, could it be from newborn? Excuse my ignorance if this isn't a possibility. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: It is always best to include the pertinent information in the body of the first post. will do "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, FossilsAnonymous said: Thanks, sorry. That was dumb Not dumb, @Fossildude19 is right. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Innocentx said: Thanks. My fragment with it's grooves is so small, could it be from newborn? Excuse my ignorance if this isn't a possibility. Its so small and not a sharp image difficult to say but cannot rule it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Most people overlook the tags, which are designed to make searches more accurate for people searching specific things. It is always best to include the pertinent information in the body of the first post. I can't get used to them; too old for this newfangled stuff! I think that if they were called "Key Words", half the confusion would go away.... 4 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, Troodon said: Possible small fragment of a dorsal spine of shark. +1 Physonemus, or similar. It's tiny, but they all started out pretty small. 3 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Auspex said: I think that if they were called "Key Words", half the confusion would go away.... Maybe??? I forget to look many times, but am getting better at checking them. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Auspex said: Physonemus, or similar. It's tiny, but they all started out pretty small. "The remains of Permian sharks (290-248 mya) are not unknown from Kansas but are certainly less well known than those from the underlying Pennsylvanian (323-290 mya) rocks. However, it appears that sharks were not evolving rapidly during this 75 million year period and most remains are identifiable from Pennsylvanian species that continue on into the Permian. Note that the identification of cladodont sharks is somewhat confused at this point. Most species are based on isolated teeth or dorsal fin spines, not on associated remains. According to Maisey (pers. comm, 2003), Petalodus teeth and the curved fin spines called Physonemus may be from the same shark. Others have suggested Cladodus teeth and Ctenacanthus dorsal fin spines may be from the same genus. In any case, I am interested in hearing any suggestions on the identifications we have made so far." http://oceansofkansas.com/Paleozoic.html I'm very lucky to have this website as a resource for my state. YES! YES. 4 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 This is cross section of what might be tooth from Cladodus occidentalis found in same general area. Of course I could be wrong but thought you might like to see this fossil in chert. Fossil itself is 2 cm. First photo is from above, second is mine. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Another possibility could be actinopterygian tooth. I've found them and cladodont teeth together in the Hickory Creek shale. 3 Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Bullsnake said: Another possibility could be actinopterygian tooth. I've found them and cladodont teeth together in the Hickory Creek shale. I've found them(cladodont) in Red Eagle formation. 1 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Thanks @Troodon, @Auspex, @Bullsnake for your help with ID. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just chiming in, I don't think that's a fin spine, but it could be part of a dermal dentical. I've screenwashed Listracanthus scales that end up looking a bit like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, jdp said: Just chiming in, I don't think that's a fin spine, but it could be part of a dermal dentical. I've screenwashed Listracanthus scales that end up looking a bit like that. I like your idea and it could be if Listracanthus was in the Permian of Kansas. I haven't located that information yet. Thanks for this. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 18 hours ago, Innocentx said: I like your idea and it could be if Listracanthus was in the Permian of Kansas. I haven't located that information yet. Thanks for this. I've personally collected Listracanthus from Admire and Council Grove groups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, jdp said: I've personally collected Listracanthus from Admire and Council Grove groups. One of these days I hope to know what to look for in the way of fish parts. Seems like screening may be the only way to find them. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 Thanks @jdp for your help and suggestions. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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