Kasia Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Dear TFF members, I have just returned from the trip to Austria and Swizterland and I need help in identifying the ones I found on the top of Pilatus mountain. From what I've read, Pilatus is made of Cretaceous rocks. To me they look like some sort of microfossils - I'm afraid I cannot take any more detailed photos with my camera, but I hope someone here will be able to make out what it is anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 The same piece in different light: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 And the close-up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 They look like cross-sections of shells to me, but wait for more knowledgeable people to arrive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 It sure is interesting. How big is the rock? Everything is generated through your own will power ~ Ray Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 The biggest piece is 15 cm, the smallest - 4 cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 No idea on the fossils...but what a fascinating place! The steepest tram in the world??? Did you take it to the top? Was it scary? (I have height issues ) Everything is generated through your own will power ~ Ray Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Yup First the boat, then the cog-wheel train to the top and then a cable car down. It wasn't scary at all - the train goes really slow because of the inclination - 48%. Here are a few pictures from the ride 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ynot Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Nice to ride a train to a neat fossil site. Beautiful scenery too! 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ynot said: Nice to ride a train to a neat fossil site. Beautiful scenery too! Indeed. The lakes and mountains of Switzerland are all postcard-like landscapes ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Alveolinids and nummulitids maybe? https://www.app.pan.pl/archive/published/app53/app53-317.pdf and http://www.mikrotax.org/pforams/index.php?taxon=Turborotalia cocoaensis&module=pf_cenozoic 2 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Those are beautiful Kasia (pictures and fossils)! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Your scenery is great even if we cannot ID your fossils. A slightly wild guess: rudists. Any other ideas @FranzBernhard ? Better up close photos are what it is going to take to help up give a better ID. We need to look at the wall structure of the tubes and a section of their exterior. Consider borrowing a camera. These look slightly similiar to a slab that was recently entered into the collections that supposedly had squid parts. (I do not think that these are squid parts.) Unfortunately the photos were not clear enough to make a determination. PS. Here is a paper that shows cross sections of rocks with rudistids that look a little like some of the ones in your rocks. The paper also talks about rocks from Mt. Pilatus. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dominik_Fleitmann/publication/230542244_Palaeoenvironmental_and_palaeoecological_change_on_the_northern_Tethyan_carbonate_platform_during_the_Late_Barremian_to_earliest_Aptian/links/5b4e5a8545851507a7a9975c/Palaeoenvironmental-and-palaeoecological-change-on-the-northern-Tethyan-carbonate-platform-during-the-Late-Barremian-to-earliest-Aptian.pdf?origin=publication_detail Any ideas @fifbrindacier ? 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, DPS Ammonite said: A slightly wild guess: rudists. Any other ideas My first impression was serpulide worm tubes for some of them, but I am very probably wrong. I have only checked the wikipedia entry: Its lower Cretaceous and Eocene, Foraminifers and Echinoids are mentioned, but in an other entry also "two rudist limestone beds". This confirms infos given by DPS and Tidgy. Fibrindacier is familiar with lower Cretaceous rudists, she can probably help. Franz Bernhard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I was thinking foraminifers like Adam. 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 @Wolf89 @Tidgy's Dad @Ludwigia @FranzBernhard @DPS Ammonite @GeschWhat Thanks a lot everybody for help I think I will go for such interpretation: rudists and Lower Cretaceous grainstone with foraminiferas, corals, crinoids and bryozoans. Here are the pictures from the paper recommended and pictures of my fossils to compare 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kasia Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 Grainstone with large foraminifera (orbitolinids and miliolids) mixed with small benthic foraminifera and echinoderms Thanks again to everybody for help 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Ludwigia said: I was thinking foraminifers like Adam. Hmmmm. Which foram is like Adam? 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I will say like the others that you have crinoids columns bryozoans micro corals and foraminifers in cross-section (some can be quite big). How big is the taller one on the first photo ? I don't think there are rudists here. I see you made a nice trip and will be glad if you have other photos to share with us. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 hours ago, fifbrindacier said: I will say like the others that you have crinoids columns bryozoans micro corals and foraminifers in cross-section (some can be quite big). How big is the taller one on the first photo ? I don't think there are rudists here. I see you made a nice trip and will be glad if you have other photos to share with us. The formaminiferas are so tiny that I cannot measure them - so they must have a few microns. The rudists are (I guess) on the first stone, the largest one - below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasia Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 hours ago, fifbrindacier said: I will say like the others that you have crinoids columns bryozoans micro corals and foraminifers in cross-section (some can be quite big). How big is the taller one on the first photo ? I don't think there are rudists here. I see you made a nice trip and will be glad if you have other photos to share with us. Would you like to see other photos of the fossils or of Switzerland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kasia said: Would you like to see other photos of the fossils or of Switzerland? All ! "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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