Eva213 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I found this one in my dad's stuff. It looks like it has some kind of hair and bugs in it. It's a yellowish/orange stone or glass. Feels more like a stone but can see through it so I don't know. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDye Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Oh wow, I could be wrong but I really think your right and that is some sort of biological filament, if you could find out where this was found that would be very good, if that's actually hair this is an amazing specimen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 If it was mine I firstly would find out if it is amber or man made resin. You can do a hot pin test, if you don't mind leaving a small mark (in the side or bottom where it is most hidden) use a very hot needle on it. If it's resin, the needle will go in easily and the smell as plastic. If amber the needle will encounter more resistance and the smell will be different like old wood or tree smell, more natural. Welcome to TFF. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alej9582 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Have your father been to Dominican Republic, Baltic Sea or South East Asia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva213 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 It has a paper that says Berivotra, 1968. Copral/ C10H60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva213 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 He has been all over. I don't know for sure if he went there or not but I know he has been to the dead sea, africia, Peur, Brazil and many other places. He worked for a university Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Eva213 said: It has a paper that says Berivotra, 1968. Copral/ C10H60 If you do the hot pin test copal smells like pine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Copal (not copral) is a tree resin that is the intermediate stage between fresh, gummy tree sap and amber. Like other 'gummy' secretions from trees, it can often contain 'inclusions' - things that got trapped in it before it hardened completely. Berivotra is a formation of Cretaceous (Maastrichtian) age in Madagascar...so apparently you have some hardened tree sap, possibly of Cretaceous age, from Madagascar. -Joe 9 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone guy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The inclusion looks like hair, but if this is from a Cretaceous formation then how could it be hair? Maybe some kind of bird down or early mammal hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoNoel Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Bone guy said: The inclusion looks like hair, but if this is from a Cretaceous formation then how could it be hair? Maybe some kind of bird down or early mammal hair? Apparently the Berivotra formation is a contemporary of the Maevarano formation (Majungasaurus, Masiakasaurus, Beelzebufo, Rahonavis, etc.) and the in the latter there have been several species of Multituberculate mammals. If the specimen is the real deal that could be the potential owner of the filaments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDye Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 11:15 PM, PaleoNoel said: Apparently the Berivotra formation is a contemporary of the Maevarano formation (Majungasaurus, Masiakasaurus, Beelzebufo, Rahonavis, etc.) and the in the latter there have been several species of Multituberculate mammals. If the specimen is the real deal that could be the potential owner of the filaments. If you're correct then perhaps this should go to a museum rather than a personal collection, however that's just my opinion, does anyone know if there has ever been Cretaceous mammal hair amber inclusions found before? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Welcome to the forum! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 9:49 PM, Fruitbat said: Copal (not copral) is a tree resin that is the intermediate stage between fresh, gummy tree sap and amber. Like other 'gummy' secretions from trees, it can often contain 'inclusions' - things that got trapped in it before it hardened completely. Berivotra is a formation of Cretaceous (Maastrichtian) age in Madagascar...so apparently you have some hardened tree sap, possibly of Cretaceous age, from Madagascar. -Joe Sap is the watery fluid used by plants to transport water and nutrients. Resin is a very sticky fluid exuded by the plant for protection against damage from fire or other injury, especially insects. Very different substances with very different jobs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Technically true from a botanical perspective...but to the average person on the street the distinction isn't really relevant. I should have written 'fresh, gummy tree resin' and 'some hardened tree resin' to be completely accurate. -Joe 2 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 The way we use words depends on the audience. We have recently had poisonous and venomous snakes as well as sap and resin amber. I understood what was being said and am not bothered by either usage. Calling a Cucullea steinkern a deer heart or turtle head requires a correction but I don't think the above examples require one. Just my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Personally, I think clarity is critical in science, especially when conversing with laypeople. If we want laypeople to love and understand science, we need to treat them like scientists and have them use the same language, within reason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Well, from what I've read so far, I would suggest that this specimen is certainly worth at least an initial study to confirm its authenticity, preferably from a professional at a reputable museum. 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva213 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 So I did the hot needle test. I could not really get the needle to go directly into it, but it did make a little dent like crack. Small but I can definitely tell it punctured it. But it really did not go in. I did press hard and the needle was very hot. Well not sure what that means but thought I give an update. Sitting here in NC with no power thanks to Florence so had a little time on my hands. Thanks to all who have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 54 minutes ago, Eva213 said: Well not sure what that means but thought I give an update. It means it is most likely not plastic or modern sap. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoRon Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I have had a lot of copal from Madagascar, but I have never seen a piece of Cretaceous amber from there. This piece looks like copal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History Hunter02 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 That is a specimen that I would definitely get checked out. If I were you (and after Florence) I would contact people from the North Carolina Museum Of Natural Sciences Research Lab since you are in North Carolina. That is definitely a specimen that could be very worthwhile to the scientific community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva213 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 Will do. Thanks All! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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