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Are these fossils or modern? Found in Idaho.

 

 

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Kane

Looks modern. You may want to try the burn test just to confirm.

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Wolf89

sorry guys, I have more pictures, but my phone died, I'll post more soon

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Herb

look modern to me too

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Wolf89
3 minutes ago, Kane said:

Looks modern. You may want to try the burn test just to confirm.

 

1 minute ago, Herb said:

look modern to me too

How do you come to that conclusion?

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WhodamanHD

Count me in the modern camp, looks like unmineralized bone. 

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Herb

just does not look fossilized, best I can do from a picture

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Rockwood

More pictures are needed, but it doesn't look modern or moose to me.

Wouldn't that be some seriously mineral like plaque build up there ?

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Brittle Star

Hi,

A friend of mine found what looked like a bone on a river foreshore, it was heavier than a modern bone but not completely mineralised. It turned out to be hundreds of years old and showed signs of being butchered, it was classified as a sub fossil. As you have a jaw try matching the flat surface of the teeth to identify species.

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RyanDye
2 hours ago, Rockwood said:

More pictures are needed, but it doesn't look modern or moose to me.

Wouldn't that be some seriously mineral like plaque build up there ?

I agree for now, I'm in the fossil camp. :D

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Kane

Rather than guessing based on a picture, the OP ought to perform the burn test.

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Wolf89
17 hours ago, Rockwood said:

More pictures are needed, but it doesn't look modern or moose to me.

Wouldn't that be some seriously mineral like plaque build up there ?

here are more pics, sorry for delay. Will try burn test tomorrow580e5505b91b75cb6d03c3c30e10f00c.png8170f17432af4944b55530e7159f2978.pnga0be96dfa33a37919bcd87186f717f2e.pnga9f07ed2ad1fbbcfffa6354df26ec819.png
https://gyazo.com/a9f07ed2ad1fbbcfffa6354df26ec819

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Rockwood

I don't have a mandible from a moose to compare it to, but I still seriously doubt it is a moose.

Was it found in southern (high desert) or northern (forest) Idaho ?

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Jaimin013

I think this specimen looks modern

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RyanDye

Well now that we've gotten better pictures it could definitely be modern, but Kane is right we really can't say much until the burn test is performed.

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Wolf89
5 hours ago, Rockwood said:

I don't have a mandible from a moose to compare it to, but I still seriously doubt it is a moose.

Was it found in southern (high desert) or northern (forest) Idaho ?

high dry desert in idaho falls. When I found it, I saw a moose on the walk to the car

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Rockwood
49 minutes ago, Wolf89 said:

When I found it, I saw a moose on the walk to the car

Makes for pretty thin soup.

Perhaps @Harry Pristis can add something to the pot ?

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Max-fossils

For comparison:

Moose

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Bison

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So it's definitely not moose, but more likely some kind of bovid! :) 

Whether it's bison or cow I really don't know. 

 

About the question of whether or not it's a fossil or not, I agree with Kane, the best way to find out is by doing the burn test. Only the results of that will tell confidently!

 

 

 

 

[Pictures are from Google Images]

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Harry Pristis

 

It's a cow mandible.  For comparison:

 

 

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Rockwood
6 hours ago, Wolf89 said:

high dry desert in idaho falls. When I found it, I saw a moose on the walk to the car

I suspect that explains why it looks different than I would expect a modern mandible to look. In the Maine woods it's likely that at that age all that would be left is indistinguishable bits of tooth. 

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Wolf89

Did the burn test, smelled like hair

 :ank:

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Max-fossils
On 8/24/2018 at 3:16 AM, Wolf89 said:

Did the burn test, smelled like hair

 :ank:

Shame... Still a cool piece!

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