Innocentx Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I have admittedly crappy pictures of a tiny bone. My microscope is not special. I'm hoping someone knows this from it's shape. Graph paper background 5mm square. It's probably marine, but not sure. Appears to be a vertebra. Cottonwood Ls Mbr, Council Grove group. Lower Permian, Kansas. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Looks like a fish skull bit. 2 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Thanks @ynot. I've been looking for fish material and this may be the first I've found besides a few shark teeth. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Innocentx said: I've been looking for fish material and this may be the first I've found Woohoo! I like firsts. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 + 1 for Fish frontal bone. Great find! Congratulations on your first fish bit. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Council Grove Group is a lot of fun. I've got a bit of experience in the Speiser and Eskridge Formations...lots of great fossil material there! So. I have my doubts that this is fish, but I do think this might be some sort of tetrapod. My initial reaction was that this was a vertebra from an aistopod (e.g. Phlegethontia) but it's possible it's from some other small tetrapod. I think it's a vertebra, but it might be a fragmentary chunk of braincase. I won't totally rule out fish, but it seems hard to justify. I guess this could be part of a haplolepid though; I'd have to see the specimen under a scope to be sure. Have you collected a lot of vertebrate material from this site? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, jdp said: Council Grove Group is a lot of fun. I've got a bit of experience in the Speiser and Eskridge Formations...lots of great fossil material there! So. I have my doubts that this is fish, but I do think this might be some sort of tetrapod. My initial reaction was that this was a vertebra from an aistopod (e.g. Phlegethontia) but it's possible it's from some other small tetrapod. I think it's a vertebra, but it might be a fragmentary chunk of braincase. I won't totally rule out fish, but it seems hard to justify. I guess this could be part of a haplolepid though; I'd have to see the specimen under a scope to be sure. Have you collected a lot of vertebrate material from this site? Interesting insights here! Thanks for chiming in! I'm glad you did. @Innocentx , Can we get views of both ends and sides? Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Fossildude19 said: Congratulations on your first fish bit. Thanks!!! 1 hour ago, jdp said: Have you collected a lot of vertebrate material from this site? This is the first piece. My first impression was also vertebra but need look at the ends. 1 hour ago, Fossildude19 said: Can we get views of both ends and sides? I've been thinking how to go about this because I'm rather afraid of losing or crushing it with tweezers. Perhaps by using a small piece of clear scotch tape, I can maneuver it into place. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Innocentx said: Thanks!!! This is the first piece. My first impression was also vertebra but need look at the ends. I've been thinking how to go about this because I'm rather afraid of losing or crushing it with tweezers. Perhaps by using a small piece of clear scotch tape, I can maneuver it into place. Nice find! For what it's worth, I use a small sewing needle clamped in hemostats to prop tiny pieces up onto a small piece of matrix, i.e. grain of sand, etc. Beware of static electricity with tiny pieces. 2 Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Again, these are terrible photos but... side view end view other end And one more, could this be a fin? App. 5 mm Thanks. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Innocentx said: I've been thinking how to go about this because I'm rather afraid of losing or crushing it with tweezers. Perhaps by using a small piece of clear scotch tape, I can maneuver it into place. I use a small very fine tipped paint brush to lift small fossils. It won’t crush them unless they are extremely fragile. I keep it dry but if the object is too tiny, a little moisture will help but will make it hard to release. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Al Dente said: I use a small very fine tipped paint brush to lift small fossils. It won’t crush them unless they are extremely fragile. I keep it dry but if the object is too tiny, a little moisture will help but will make it hard to release. I never thought of that! Thanks for the tip. Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 3:41 PM, Innocentx said: Again, these are terrible photos but... side view end view other end And one more, could this be a fin? App. 5 mm Thanks. The second fossil is almost certainly a fragment of brachiopod and not a vertebrate fossil. The ends on the first fossil just don't fit with a vertebra ID, particularly there's no neural canal. I am wondering if maybe this is an arm plate from some sort of echinoderm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittle Star Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I work a lot with fragile times, instead of moisture lightly brush your cheek with the end of your tweezers or a needle and that picks up things and a light tap releases it into a container. I do that when I am sorting residue. 2 Never ask a starfish for directions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 7:28 AM, jdp said: The ends on the first fossil just don't fit with a vertebra ID, particularly there's no neural canal. Could this be a caudal vertebra from tip of a tail? "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I don't think so...caudal verts are still pretty much comparable to other verts. I do think this might be a bit of echinoderm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, jdp said: I do think this might be a bit of echinoderm. Is there a particular echinoderm you have in mind? "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 I'm thinking it may be an ophiuroid arm ossicle. Does that seem right? "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Yeah that seems right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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