Baddadcp Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Any idea what this is? Arundel Formation, Maryland, Lower Cretaceous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, Baddadcp said: Any idea what this is? Location? The close up show plant roots. See nothing else that looks fossil, may be to weathered to identify from pictures. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 It looks like feeding traces on the surfaces. Post close ups of what you find interesting. In other words, pretty much what @ynot said. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 23 hours ago, Innocentx said: It looks like feeding traces on the surfaces. Post close ups of what you find interesting. In other words, pretty much what @ynot said. Maybe maybe not. My first thought was , then I thought maybe but then I looked closer and think it's this. (first image.) Follows some better images. It's only a partial, and no, it's not too eroded to tell. There is actually a lot happening on the piece if you look close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 It doesn't look to be a cone as you were hoping. I think it's Ophiomorpha. Check this and I think you'll agree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiomorpha "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 The new close up pictures are much better, Thanks for posting them. It is easy to see the plant bits now. Unfortunately I know nothing of plant identification, so will leave it to others. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Innocentx said: It doesn't look to be a cone as you were hoping. I think it's Ophiomorpha. Check this and I think you'll agree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiomorpha Hmm. Some superficial similarity. Like and elephant's leg could appear to be a tree trunk, I suppose. Not a near shore marine environment, nor a deep marine environment. It is a cretaceous oxbow swamp and forest environment full of gymnosperms. I have found worm burrows but they don't look like that and have found other cycad and cones in the area. Very interesting similarity though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Baddadcp said: cretaceous oxbow swamp and forest environment full of gymnosperms. 11 hours ago, ynot said: It is easy to see the plant bits now. This sounds like a case for @Plantguy. "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I'm not sure I can add anything specific and not really versed in Mesozoic plants but am intrigued by the plate. Looks to have alot going on there... I collected Paleozoic invert stuff from Maryland back in the 70's when we lived there but never saw any of the Cretaceous material. I'd have to dig around in the literature to see what may already have been covered plantwise. Seems I've seen other threads of folks looking at stuff there as well. As for that plate...Not sure if that is a plant structure/cone or shrimp/burrowing/feeding trace as suggested--pretty neat! Outside that area I circled a couple other areas that probably only scope work/detailed closeups may be able to answer...looks to be possible cycad or other leaf structures of some sort and then burrowing? structures... Good stuff. I might get some time to dig around in the literature this weekend. Maybe someone else has some immediate thoughts... Not sure what the last photo shows...bioturbation or some depositional/erosional features. Looks like a real fun area to collect and ponder over...Hoping someone else can give you something specific. I'm not sure if there is anyone in academia who is presently or has already looked at this material. Regards, Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Plantguy said: I'm not sure I can add anything specific and not really versed in Mesozoic plants but am intrigued by the plate. Looks to have alot going on there... I collected Paleozoic invert stuff from Maryland back in the 70's when we lived there but never saw any of the Cretaceous material. I'd have to dig around in the literature to see what may already have been covered plantwise. Seems I've seen other threads of folks looking at stuff there as well. As for that plate...Not sure if that is a plant structure/cone or shrimp/burrowing/feeding trace as suggested--pretty neat! Outside that area I circled a couple other areas that probably only scope work/detailed closeups may be able to answer...looks to be possible cycad or other leaf structures of some sort and then burrowing? structures... Good stuff. I might get some time to dig around in the literature this weekend. Maybe someone else has some immediate thoughts... Not sure what the last photo shows...bioturbation or some depositional/erosional features. Looks like a real fun area to collect and ponder over...Hoping someone else can give you something specific. I'm not sure if there is anyone in academia who is presently or has already looked at this material. Regards, Chris Yes. Yes. And Yes. This is but one piece of many that has interesting ambiguous structure. I wish I had a pro local contact, but alas, I do not. Lastly, to make matters "worse", this is a layered piece so the real fascinating stuff is probably just below the surface. I will add an edge photo or two when I can. Thanks for the input @Plantguy. Now I can rest easy knowing everything isn't "geological" in origin. Burrowing structures are entirely possible, the culprit not likely to be shrimp in a freshwater oxbow environment. Other crustaceans might be possible. I keep looking. Edited September 7, 2018 by Baddadcp added text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Hey Baddadcp, I started looking around at some other thread and possible contacts and resources...By any chance have you possibly engaged anyone at the USGS or Maryland Geological Survey (MGS) possibly? I was looking at the MGS site and they have a few folks that they direct fossil and geology questions to.. Sounds like you've done some groundwork about the formations in your area locally and was wondering if you want to try to tap a geologist in the area? Looks like Dale Shelton is one geologists on staff who has some fossil background and so does Dr. David Brezinski...do you want to email or call them to see if they have any interest in what you are seeing/finding? Might be a quick way to find/get a specialist in the area involved if they have some time or possibly . http://www.mgs.md.gov/about/questions.html MGS Staff by Areas of Expertise Questions? If you have questions specific to Maryland geology, groundwater, earthquakes, aquifer water quality, oil and natural gas, fossils, dinosaurs, minerals, and so on, please refer to list below to contact the appropriate MGS staff member. If you don't know where to start, you can contact our education specialist and he'll get you to the right person. You may call him at 410-554-5505 or send an e-mail to dale.shelton@maryland.gov A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q | R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z | A Aerial photographs: Katie Knippler, Dale Shelton Aggregate resources: David Brezinski Appalachian geology: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Appalachian plateau: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Aquifer tests: Jon Achmad, David Andreasen Arsenic: Tiffany VanDerwerker Atlantic Ocean: Richard Ortt, Stephen Van Ryswick, Katie Knippler B Bathymetric maps: Stephen Van Ryswick, Richard Ortt Bedrock geology: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Blue Ridge Mountains (geology): David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams C Caves: David Brezinski, Richard Ortt Carbon sequestration: David Brezinski, Richard Ortt Chesapeake Bay: Richard Ortt, Stephen Van Ryswick, Katie Knippler Coal-bearing strata: David Brezinski Coal bed methane: David Brezinski Coastal Plain hydrogeology: David Andreasen, Heather Quinn, Andy Staley Continental Shelf: Richard Ortt, Stephen Van Ryswick Core & cuttings repository: Katie Knippler, Heather Quinn Fossils: Dale Shelton Fossil collecting: Dale Shelton, David Brezinski Fossil identification: Dale Shelton, David Brezinski G General Maryland geology: Dale Shelton Geochemistry: Anna Gillmor Geologic Mapping - central & western Maryland: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Geologic Mapping - Coastal Plain: Heather Quinn Geologic Maps: Heather Quinn, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Geologic sites: Dale Shelton MGS Staff Directory Name Telephone E-mail Administration Richard A. Ortt, Jr., Director (410) 554-5503 richard.ortt@maryland.gov Tina Williams, Administrative Officer (410) 554-5511 tina.williams3@maryland.gov Jenna Witman, Administrative Aide (410) 554-5512 jenna.witman@maryland.gov Publications Office (410) 554-5500, (410) 554-5501 dale.shelton@maryland.gov Glen Shinholt, Maintenance Engineer (410) 554-5564 glen.shinholt@maryland.gov Coastal and Environmental Geology Program Stephen Van Ryswick, Chief (410) 554-5544 stephen.vanryswick@maryland.gov Rebecca H. Kavage Adams, Geologist (410) 554-5553 rebecca.adams@maryland.gov Dr. David K. Brezinski, Geologist (410) 554-5526 david.brezinski@maryland.gov Christopher Connallon, Geologist (410) 554-5545 christopher.connallon@maryland.gov Anna Gillmor, Geochemist (410) 554-5518 anna.gillmor@maryland.gov Katherine A. Knippler, Geologist (410) 554-5543 katherine.knippler@maryland.gov Bryan Nicholson, Geologist (410) 554-5545 bryan.nicholson@maryland.gov Dale W. Shelton, Education Specialist/Geologist (410) 554-5505 dale.shelton@maryland.gov Elizabeth R. Sylvia, Geologist (410) 554-5542 elizabeth.sylvia@maryland.gov If you do go that route I'd love to hear any feedback you get. Another thought is to look into whether the University of Maryland Geology Department might also have a resident Paleontologist or some soft rock folks and grad students who might be able to take a look. I'll dig around some more but my initial thoughts are to try a local/state resource. I've had other state and other univ folks review some photos initially and then even throw some rocks under some scopes and offer valuable insight. Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 49 minutes ago, Plantguy said: Hey Baddadcp, I started looking around at some other thread and possible contacts and resources...By any chance have you possibly engaged anyone at the USGS or Maryland Geological Survey (MGS) possibly? I was looking at the MGS site and they have a few folks that they direct fossil and geology questions to.. Sounds like you've done some groundwork about the formations in your area locally and was wondering if you want to try to tap a geologist in the area? Looks like Dale Shelton is one geologists on staff who has some fossil background and so does Dr. David Brezinski...do you want to email or call them to see if they have any interest in what you are seeing/finding? Might be a quick way to find/get a specialist in the area involved if they have some time or possibly . http://www.mgs.md.gov/about/questions.html MGS Staff by Areas of Expertise Questions? If you have questions specific to Maryland geology, groundwater, earthquakes, aquifer water quality, oil and natural gas, fossils, dinosaurs, minerals, and so on, please refer to list below to contact the appropriate MGS staff member. If you don't know where to start, you can contact our education specialist and he'll get you to the right person. You may call him at 410-554-5505 or send an e-mail to dale.shelton@maryland.gov A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q | R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z | A Aerial photographs: Katie Knippler, Dale Shelton Aggregate resources: David Brezinski Appalachian geology: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Appalachian plateau: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Aquifer tests: Jon Achmad, David Andreasen Arsenic: Tiffany VanDerwerker Atlantic Ocean: Richard Ortt, Stephen Van Ryswick, Katie Knippler B Bathymetric maps: Stephen Van Ryswick, Richard Ortt Bedrock geology: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Blue Ridge Mountains (geology): David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams C Caves: David Brezinski, Richard Ortt Carbon sequestration: David Brezinski, Richard Ortt Chesapeake Bay: Richard Ortt, Stephen Van Ryswick, Katie Knippler Coal-bearing strata: David Brezinski Coal bed methane: David Brezinski Coastal Plain hydrogeology: David Andreasen, Heather Quinn, Andy Staley Continental Shelf: Richard Ortt, Stephen Van Ryswick Core & cuttings repository: Katie Knippler, Heather Quinn Fossils: Dale Shelton Fossil collecting: Dale Shelton, David Brezinski Fossil identification: Dale Shelton, David Brezinski G General Maryland geology: Dale Shelton Geochemistry: Anna Gillmor Geologic Mapping - central & western Maryland: David Brezinski, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Geologic Mapping - Coastal Plain: Heather Quinn Geologic Maps: Heather Quinn, Rebbecca Kavage Adams Geologic sites: Dale Shelton MGS Staff Directory Name Telephone E-mail Administration Richard A. Ortt, Jr., Director (410) 554-5503 richard.ortt@maryland.gov Tina Williams, Administrative Officer (410) 554-5511 tina.williams3@maryland.gov Jenna Witman, Administrative Aide (410) 554-5512 jenna.witman@maryland.gov Publications Office (410) 554-5500, (410) 554-5501 dale.shelton@maryland.gov Glen Shinholt, Maintenance Engineer (410) 554-5564 glen.shinholt@maryland.gov Coastal and Environmental Geology Program Stephen Van Ryswick, Chief (410) 554-5544 stephen.vanryswick@maryland.gov Rebecca H. Kavage Adams, Geologist (410) 554-5553 rebecca.adams@maryland.gov Dr. David K. Brezinski, Geologist (410) 554-5526 david.brezinski@maryland.gov Christopher Connallon, Geologist (410) 554-5545 christopher.connallon@maryland.gov Anna Gillmor, Geochemist (410) 554-5518 anna.gillmor@maryland.gov Katherine A. Knippler, Geologist (410) 554-5543 katherine.knippler@maryland.gov Bryan Nicholson, Geologist (410) 554-5545 bryan.nicholson@maryland.gov Dale W. Shelton, Education Specialist/Geologist (410) 554-5505 dale.shelton@maryland.gov Elizabeth R. Sylvia, Geologist (410) 554-5542 elizabeth.sylvia@maryland.gov If you do go that route I'd love to hear any feedback you get. Another thought is to look into whether the University of Maryland Geology Department might also have a resident Paleontologist or some soft rock folks and grad students who might be able to take a look. I'll dig around some more but my initial thoughts are to try a local/state resource. I've had other state and other univ folks review some photos initially and then even throw some rocks under some scopes and offer valuable insight. Regards, Chris Chris, Thanks so much. This is more headway than I've been able to make. I'll have to buy you a beer, if I ever get a chance. As Always, Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 50 minutes ago, Baddadcp said: Chris, Thanks so much. This is more headway than I've been able to make. I'll have to buy you a beer, if I ever get a chance. As Always, Marc You could also email Dr. Kranz on his website. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Looking at the latest weather reports this morning I should add that with the Hurricane season at its peak and a number of Tropical Storms on their way to the U.S. in the next week some of the folks in state/local government will/may be shifting their focus to storm preparedness. Storm prediction tracks dont always verify but everyone in the east should be reviewing readiness/implementing their plans. Keep your eyes on the local forecasts/threats. Looks like TS Florence is a very serious threat to your region and then there is TS Isaac which is moving thru at a lower trajectory towards the Caribbean and us Floridians should be aware. Both are predicted to be Hurricanes. Hoping the tracks keep us all safe but they look a little ominous. Also be patient with responses/interest as the academic/school folks are just getting into the beginning of their school years and their focus could change with imminent weather forecasts. https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Good luck and be safe out there all! Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 12 hours ago, WhodamanHD said: You could also email Dr. Kranz on his website. I never saw an address to him. Only the Dino Park in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Plantguy said: Looking at the latest weather reports this morning I should add that with the Hurricane season at its peak and a number of Tropical Storms on their way to the U.S. in the next week some of the folks in state/local government will/may be shifting their focus to storm preparedness. Storm prediction tracks dont always verify but everyone in the east should be reviewing readiness/implementing their plans. Keep your eyes on the local forecasts/threats. Looks like TS Florence is a very serious threat to your region and then there is TS Isaac which is moving thru at a lower trajectory towards the Caribbean and us Floridians should be aware. Both are predicted to be Hurricanes. Hoping the tracks keep us all safe but they look a little ominous. Also be patient with responses/interest as the academic/school folks are just getting into the beginning of their school years and their focus could change with imminent weather forecasts. https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Good luck and be safe out there all! Regards, Chris After the storm passes, collecting float should be awesome. Especially after what the summer/spring rains have brought. Stay safe at any rate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Baddadcp said: I never saw an address to him. Only the Dino Park in general. Press contact and it should automatically pop up, Kranz typically will answer in a few days. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddadcp Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 12:10 AM, WhodamanHD said: You could also email Dr. Kranz on his website. Md State doesn't offer ID services any more, waiting on a reply from Kranz. Dr Shelton gave me a contact at the Smithsonian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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