kirkjeremiah23 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just wanted you guys thoughts on this Denovian trilobite from Morocco. Is it authentic or does it any restoration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLB Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 looks good to me but now a days its hard to tell without haveing it in hand. If it was a full fake i would think it would be perfect not in segments but i would like to see what some of ower more seasoned experts have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Looks like a bad spot under the left eye and something funny with the right one. These parts may be "restored" of badly filled. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I cropped the photos: Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seguidora-de-Isis Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Very difficult to give an opinion that is based on just these two photos. But it can be an assembly with 3 different specimens. Preparations with grooves in the rocks, in my opinion, always raise red flags, as they can hide anything. But if it is 100% genuine or not, only if it is analyzed personally in hand and with a magnifying glass. Either way it is a beautiful specimen attractive enough to be displayed on the best spot on the shelf. 2 Is It real, or it's not real, that's the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Paralejurus should have 10 segments. I am only seeing 9. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I'm seeing (I think) what appear to be 2 diagonal cracks through it & the matrix (I could be wrong). The one outlined in white doesn't seem to go through the head though, just continues on the other side. 2 Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Actually the matrix color all the way around the head doesn't really match either. Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kane said: Paralejurus should have 10 segments. I am only seeing 9. I think there is a damaged one next to the pygidium...right where seguidora thought it was pieced together.... 2 Everything is generated through your own will power ~ Ray Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeon.rocks Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Could be a disarticulated molt with restoration to left librigenia. Too common species, no point in faking or making a composite. You know, most moroccan triobites are real, just stop buying lowest possible quality for 10-30$ and start considering the effort and time behind each moroccan prep too when a nicer one costs more, their rates are much lower as rates from western preparators anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Seguidora-de-Isis said: Very difficult to give an opinion that is based on just these two photos. But it can be an assembly with 3 different specimens. Preparations with grooves in the rocks, in my opinion, always raise red flags, as they can hide anything. But if it is 100% genuine or not, only if it is analyzed personally in hand and with a magnifying glass. Either way it is a beautiful specimen attractive enough to be displayed on the best spot on the shelf. 5 hours ago, Kane said: Paralejurus should have 10 segments. I am only seeing 9. 5 hours ago, daves64 said: I'm seeing (I think) what appear to be 2 diagonal cracks through it & the matrix (I could be wrong). The one outlined in white doesn't seem to go through the head though, just continues on the other side. 5 hours ago, Walt said: I think there is a damaged one next to the pygidium...right where seguidora thought it was pieced together.... I also thought it was a composition of more than one trilobite, until i saw the cracks, and i agree there might be a damaged segment. 1 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Given that these are fairly common, if it were me I'd pass on this and spend more for a better quality example. Trilobites like this that are quick-prepped or have problems are usually bought very cheaply wholesale by redistributors. So even for this common Paralejurus, there are a few much higher quality examples out there, but spending more will likely be a necessity. A museum quality piece that is complete, well-positioned, and expertly prepped will usually run 10-100x the going rate of the fast C-grade variety more commonly sold on auction sites. That is simply a function of scarcity, demand, and labour time. 4 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkjeremiah23 Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 Thanks for all the replies and all the information. It it nice to have so much experience on one forum. I guess I will pass on it a d look for a better quality one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitch1979 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 The proper prepped ones have the facets visible in the eyes (see below). Also, the hypostome (it's like a ventral mouthplate) can many times be seen on a good Paralejurus sp. and should have 10 segments indeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fitch1979 said: proper prepped ones that is a great looking specimen! Love the pedestal. Everything is generated through your own will power ~ Ray Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I'd be scared to own one of those 'flying' trilos, or even buy one and expect it to be delivered intact. Probably cost a lot more than a decently-prepped non-pedestaled example, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Wrangellian said: I'd be scared to own one of those 'flying' trilos, or even buy one and expect it to be delivered intact. Probably cost a lot more than a decently-prepped non-pedestaled example, too. Packing it well makes all the difference, and to foolproof it from the usual postal mishaps. I remember receiving one trilobite with delicate eye stalks, but the seller had a really good solution to ensure it arrived safely: he drilled two holes in the lid of a small wooden box, fed two strong wires through it, and secured the bug by twisting the wires well. No amount of postal jostling would dislodge it! Of course, that level of package security will raise the cost, but well worth it when the specimen has flying spines! ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 The cost of that level of package security I figure will be a drop in the bucket compared to the difference in cost between a flying trilo and one lying flat on the matrix! Even if it arrived intact, the way things are in this house, it would be only a matter of time before it got broken anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Wrangellian said: Even if it arrived intact, the way things are in this house, it would be only a matter of time before it got broken anyway Yeah with all those earthquakes that hit y'all on the west coat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Wolf89 said: Yeah with all those earthquakes that hit y'all on the west coat! Never mind the earthquakes - just moving stuff around, bumping it, dropping it... I've felt no more than 3 or 4 EQs in my lifetime, and all minor, so I don't worry about them. But perhaps if I owned something this delicate and valuable I would start worrying more about them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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