rocksnstars Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) I am a mineral and fossil collector and an amateur astronomer and my email is rocksnstars, so rocks collected that include a star shape are special. Most of the ones I have are the crinoid stems with star-shaped centers. This is the first time I've seen anything like this. I believe I have met the requirements of providing a good photo with a scale, and I know the period is Late Ordivician. I tagged Ohio because I think that is where it is from, but it is possibly Indiana, however BOTH sites are the SAME period and well known. I collected the two places the same day, and unfortunately during the drive home to Maine and the unloading, some of the specimens got mixed up and this was one of them. The Ohio location is the spillway at Caesar Creek State Park, Waynesville, Ohio, US. The Indiana one is Whitewater River Gorge, Richmond, Indiana, US. (Each mark is 1 mm, so the "1" on the scale is 10 mm, perhaps standard.) Edited October 15, 2018 by rocksnstars Clarifying scale measurement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Looks like a crinoid columnal. There were some that had a star shaped exterior. 2 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 looks like a section of crinoid stem 1 "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksnstars Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 Thank you both. I have many crinoid stems from all across the country and everyone of them is circular. Now I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 they can be stars, circles,squares, ovals and pentagrams "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 22 hours ago, rocksnstars said: Most of the ones I have are the crinoid stems with star-shaped centers. No doubt, the "lumen" infill is identical to the surrounding matrix material. There might be exceptions of the five-folded symmetry characteristic to echinoids such as crinoids or others, as Tony and Herb said it already. The shape of the lumen might be different, no matter how the external shape of a columnal is. I think, your specimen has an intermediate growth, making it six- folded. It's clear, that the sixth growth is weaker than the other five. Could it be regeneration of on injury? 1 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, abyssunder said: Could it be regeneration of on injury? Or possibly post burial deformation or post exposure damage Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 If it might be post burial, it might be too perfect closing the lines. I think, it was the reaction of a living echinoderm to a possible attack regenerating its structure, and I think those might be epibionts rather than endobionts. 1 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksnstars Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 You've lost me! Some crinoid columns have star cross sections was understandable. The more recent comments are beyond my level of fossil collecting/understanding. All I can say is that I have hundreds of crinoid stem sections and segments, and I've seen many more, and they are all circular, so the other shapes must be relatively rare. Regardless of what it is, it is one of my very few (~10 out of 2500) specimens of a rocksnstars shape in a fossil, mineral or rock in our collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, rocksnstars said: You've lost me! Some crinoid columns have star cross sections was understandable. The more recent comments are beyond my level of fossil collecting/understanding. All I can say is that I have hundreds of crinoid stem sections and segments, and I've seen many more, and they are all circular, so the other shapes must be relatively rare. Regardless of what it is, it is one of my very few (~10 out of 2500) specimens of a rocksnstars shape in a fossil, mineral or rock in our collection. It is a nice piece, but not rare (site dependent). IE in some sites star shaped columnals can be quite rare and in other sites be plentiful. Abbysunder and I were discussing possible causes of a slight deformation in the shape evident in the lower right side. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 9:24 PM, ynot said: Or possibly post burial deformation or post exposure damage The bottom left is the only area still looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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