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no frog but what is the stone?..or fossil?


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bought this online the add claimed it was a fossil of a frog just the back legs and back...claimed they were wiped in phosphates?...more like wiped entirely off

but then I inspected the stone it was odd in itself...I even inspected it with a microscopic camera no frog..no trace of frog...so went looking for more on the stone and came up with this as a possibility?.......

 

Fossil fish Eodiaphyodus Granulosus mouth crusher plate?....did a search and that came up

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I confirm you that's no frog, but maybe something geologic like oolitic limestone.

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Pisolite rather than oolite (larger grain size), or maybe on the boundary between them.

 

 

EDIT: I think the OP is right and this is Eodiaphyodus mouth plate.

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not Fossil fish Eodiaphyodus Granulosus mouth crusher plate?.

 

found these online look very similar and about the same size and shape.....could it be?

 

 

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oolites, cool though.

Not sure frogs can preserve in 3D?

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oh well cool looking stone not doing well with fossils but finding interesting rocks..lol...but sure does look like the above.

 

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I don't know what is the question, but all the specimens above are Definitely Eodiaphyodus granulosus mouth plates, probably from the phosphatic beds of Morocco. I prepped one, which is in my collection. Third picture is the lower part of the plate. All of them are teeth, unfortunately the roots are very fragile. :)

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52 minutes ago, hndmarshall said:

not Fossil fish Eodiaphyodus Granulosus mouth crusher plate?.

 

Yes, you caught some of us out I think. :blush::D I've learned a new one!

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seller says there is frogs on them at least the one I have and the other one he is selling not sure he has his facts straight as to what it actually is

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As I said, the roots are fragile, extremely fragile (I could add). Here are quick shots of my specimen (upper and lower side):

 

plate in it's original state (partially in matrix)

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after prep

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26 minutes ago, hndmarshall said:

seller says there is frogs on them at least the one I have and the other one he is selling not sure he has his facts straight as to what it actually is

 

Sellers say lots of things. That does not make what they say true. ;) 

 

A seller says this is a fossil Flounder.  It's not. 

 

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Just now, Fossildude19 said:

 

Sellers say lots of things. That does not make what they say true. ;) 

 

A seller says this is a fossil Flounder.  It's not. 

 

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yea see a lot of that on online...lol...all sorts of interpretations 

 

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To find the original designation of taxon, C. Arambourg.  1952. Las vertebres fossiles des gisements de phosphates (Maroc-Algerie-Tunisie). Notes et memoires 92: 1-478 might be on help. Here's an excerpt  from the document (check My Library). :)

 

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BTW, you have a nice specimen! Congrats!  No frog. :D

 

 

 

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@abyssunder to the rescue!  :1-SlapHands_zpsbb015b76:

 

(I guess it's possible the seller is incorrectly thinking they are frog eggs....) 

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8 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

@abyssunder to the rescue!  :1-SlapHands_zpsbb015b76:

 

(I guess it's possible the seller is incorrectly thinking they are frog eggs....) 

no he says there is a frog fossil on the stone ...I dont see it...even when using a microscopic camera...no frog

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11 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

(I guess it's possible the seller is incorrectly thinking they are frog eggs....) 

Very good remark, JohnJ! :)

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You still may have ended up with a cool fossil (though not a frog). Hopefully, this is a lesson to question seller's descriptions if they don't seem obvious from the images. Online sellers range from the very reputable that have been selling fossils for many years (decades) and have an ardent following to shifty fly-by-night sellers on auction forums who dig up rocks from their backyard and list them as whatever they slightly resemble.

 

If you plan on making any other online purchases, you might wish to run them by the forum first if it is something you are not very familiar with and are sure it is what is stated. We have a rule about simply posting auction links or photos that could identify sellers directly as we don't want the liability of sellers trying to bring legal action against the forum. Posting a photo of a possible fossil acquisition and asking our opinions as to the veracity of the claimed identification would be useful to you and informative to all who read the topic.

 

 

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4 hours ago, hndmarshall said:

no he says there is a frog fossil on the stone ...I dont see it...even when using a microscopic camera...no frog

Maybe a frog was sitting on it when the seller found it. ;)

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