skiman1016 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I am looking to purchase a couple chisels that will work well in the shale typically found in western New York. I have read several threads and have a general idea of the sizes that I’d need, but I wanted to be sure I got the right type of chisels. Should I get cold chisels or masonry/brick chisels? From what I’ve heard elsewhere online, hardware stores usually say that cold chisels are for metal but I’ve seen them recommended for fossils in several threads. Are either options okay to use? I’m mostly asking in terms of safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I think you'd be fine with a range of cold chisel sizes. Bigger ones for the bigger rocks, smaller ones for breaking them down a bit further. In terms of safety, get ones with hand guards; there is nothing quite as unpleasant as whacking your hand or wrist with a hammer! If you use them often, you'll notice that the tops begin to mushroom. Over time, some of the flared metal bits may fly off and could cause injury. You can extend the use of those chisels by using a grinder to remove that. 2 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Cold chisels or masonry chisels will work for the types of rock you will be working on. The ones you really want to be careful of are wood chisels. Those have a tendency to break or splinter when used on anything other than wood. I have used them successfully on soft shales, but would not use on hard limestones or dolostones. Wearing safety glasses minimizes any type of eye injury from flying metal or rock, but shards can go into skin anywhere. My biggest problem when working with chisels has been my extraordinarily large left thumb, which apparently has a bullseye on it. 4 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: My biggest problem when working with chisels has been my extraordinarily large left thumb, which apparently has a bullseye on it. Said thumb is world famous, and has been thusly immortalized in sculpture: ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kane said: Said thumb is world famous, and has been thusly immortalized in sculpture: Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Thumb on my dad's left hand always seemed to resemble a nail head.. at least to the hammer. Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolmt Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 The one inch Stanley with the yellow hand guard is my main chisel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Saunders Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I have one long Master Mechanic cold chisel. a file will barely scratch it. I also bought new DASCO chisels from Home Depot at the clerks suggestion. Say's for masonry? Trying to crack hard Geodes the V sharp edge flattens out. Same file re-forms the edge easy. Nice that they have the large hand guard on them. May try heating the end of one to red hot and quenching in oil, to see if they will get harder? For shale and softer stones they may be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 My personal favorite chisel for splitting shale is a 12" long piece of 1/8" thick 2" wide tool steel bar stock (O1, D2,1080 or 5160...etc.). One end is ground to a "V" shape about as steep as an axe, heated to non-magnetic and quenched in oil. This gives a very hard tip with the rest of it soft. I find the wide bar VERY easy to hit and since it is 12" long, I don't have to put my hand near the hammering side. 3 Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 just don't use wood chisels "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiman1016 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Thanks for all of the great suggestions, this definitely helps point me in the right direction of which chisels to look at. I’ll definitely invest in a hand guard as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Not sure about the New York shales but for fossil hunting out West at places like the Green River or Wheeler Shale I find these thin chisels from Geo-Tools to be indispensable: http://www.geo-tools.com/fossil-rock-chisels/custom-thin-rock-splitting-chisels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 hours ago, Sagebrush Steve said: Not sure about the New York shales but for fossil hunting out West at places like the Green River or Wheeler Shale I find these thin chisels from Geo-Tools to be indispensable: http://www.geo-tools.com/fossil-rock-chisels/custom-thin-rock-splitting-chisels Steve, I've always wanted some of these - do you have suggestions as to which sizes are most helpful? Thanks, in advance. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 hours ago, Sagebrush Steve said: Not sure about the New York shales but for fossil hunting out West at places like the Green River or Wheeler Shale I find these thin chisels from Geo-Tools to be indispensable: http://www.geo-tools.com/fossil-rock-chisels/custom-thin-rock-splitting-chisels 4 hours ago, Fossildude19 said: Steve, I've always wanted some of these - do you have suggestions as to which sizes are most helpful? Thanks, in advance. I have the 9”x1”x1/16” with a single bevel and the 8”x1”x1/8” with a double bevel. I really like the thin chisel with the single bevel for final splitting of smaller pieces of shale up to a foot or two across (30-60 cm for those of you outside the US). Hold it with the flat side on the side of the shale you want to preserve and the other side will just fall away as you strike the chisel. The thicker chisel with the double bevel is better for initial splitting of larger pieces. At the American Fossil Quarry they loan you the much larger chisel, I think it is the 12”x1-1/2”x1/8” chisel. It is good for general purpose work but I switched to my smaller ones for final splitting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 @Sagebrush Steve Thanks, Steve. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggedy Man Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Its so much easier to just make your own. This way you can make them to fit your needs. I use 1095 or 5160 high carbon steel and only heat treat the working end and thermal cycle the heads. This keeps them soft enough so they wont shatter. ...I'm back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggedy Man Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 2:16 PM, Ptychodus04 said: My personal favorite chisel for splitting shale is a 12" long piece of 1/8" thick 2" wide tool steel bar stock (O1, D2,1080 or 5160...etc.). One end is ground to a "V" shape about as steep as an axe, heated to non-magnetic and quenched in oil. This gives a very hard tip with the rest of it soft. I find the wide bar VERY easy to hit and since it is 12" long, I don't have to put my hand near the hammering side. Didnt see your post. Apparently great minds think alike...lol ...I'm back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, Raggedy Man said: Its so much easier to just make your own. This way you can make them to fit your needs. I use 1095 or 5160 high carbon steel and only heat treat the working end and thermal cycle the heads. This keeps them soft enough so they wont shatter. Unless you aren't handy. Then it's easier to buy. 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Raggedy Man said: Didnt see your post. Apparently great minds think alike...lol My personal favorite is O1. 2 hours ago, Fossildude19 said: Unless you aren't handy. Then it's easier to buy. I’m glad I’m handy (mostly) and have most of the tools needed to make stuff. Speaking of making stuff, it’s finally a comfortable temp to start forging again! Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggedy Man Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Ptychodus04 said: My personal favorite is O1. I’m glad I’m handy (mostly) and have most of the tools needed to make stuff. Speaking of making stuff, it’s finally a comfortable temp to start forging again! Yeah its very forgiving...lol ...I'm back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 What you really need is the,,,,,,,,,,,,, Famous 'RB All By Itself Wonder Chisle'!!! I just show up at a fossil site, leave my 'Famous RB All By Itself Wonder Chisle' near a good spot, go have a cheeseburger in town, come back and WaaaaaaLaaaaaa. Fossils everywhere. I just load up the truck and go home and prep. Wouldn't that be super!!! RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 hours ago, RJB said: What you really need is the,,,,,,,,,,,,, Famous 'RB All By Itself Wonder Chisle'!!! I just show up at a fossil site, leave my 'Famous RB All By Itself Wonder Chisle' near a good spot, go have a cheeseburger in town, come back and WaaaaaaLaaaaaa. Fossils everywhere. I just load up the truck and go home and prep. Wouldn't that be super!!! RB I show up, lay it down and end up losing it Everything is generated through your own will power ~ Ray Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Walt said: I show up, lay it down and end up losing it To be honest, ive lost quite a few chisles in the past. RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggedy Man Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 4:28 PM, RJB said: What you really need is the,,,,,,,,,,,,, Famous 'RB All By Itself Wonder Chisle'!!! I just show up at a fossil site, leave my 'Famous RB All By Itself Wonder Chisle' near a good spot, go have a cheeseburger in town, come back and WaaaaaaLaaaaaa. Fossils everywhere. I just load up the truck and go home and prep. Wouldn't that be super!!! RB Your sons? Lol ...I'm back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 7:58 PM, Sagebrush Steve said: Not sure about the New York shales but for fossil hunting out West at places like the Green River or Wheeler Shale I find these thin chisels from Geo-Tools to be indispensable: http://www.geo-tools.com/fossil-rock-chisels/custom-thin-rock-splitting-chisels I have not worked in NY state much, but I think these fish chisels, as we call them, are too soft for some of the harder NY rocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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