Incredible day on the Zandmotor!

[Max-fossils]

35 minutes ago, DanKurek said:

Nice finds Max!

Thanks!!!

[Oxytropidoceras]

First, thanks for the report and pictures.

 

Second, there are a number of papers about this locality

in Afzettingen.

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/search?portal=natuur;archive=ntafz;sort=releasesort

 

They include, but not limited to:

 

Langeveld, B., 2013. De Zandmotor versus het strand van 

Hoek van Holland: opvallende verschillen in de vondstfrequentie 

van fossiele kleppen van bivalven geven informatie over

de geologische geschiedenis van de zandwingebieden. 

Afzettingen, 34(4), pp.177-181.

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/search?identifier=567803

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document&docid=567803

 

Langeveld, B., 2011. Zwinkokkels Venericor planicosta 

(Lamarck, 1801) van de Zandmotor (Zuid-Holland). 

Afzettingen, 32(4), pp.93-94.

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/search?identifier=567645

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document;docid=567645

 

Langeveld, B. and Langeveld, T., 2012. De grottenleeuw 

Panthera leo spelaea (Goldfuss, 1810) van de Zandmotor 

(Zuid-Holland). Afzettingen, 33(2), pp.43-43.

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/search?identifier=567688

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document&docid=567688

 

van der Valk, B., Mol, D. and Mulder, H., 2011. 

Mammoetbotten en schelpen voor het oprapen: verslag 

van een onderzoeksexcursie naar fossielen op ‘De 

Zandmotor’ voor de kust tussen Ter Heijde en Kijkduin 

(Zuid-Holland). Afzettingen, 32(3), pp.51-53.

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/search?identifier=567628

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document&docid=567628

 

Langeveld, B., 2011. Fossiele mollusken van het strand 

van Hoek van Holland. Afzettingen, 32(4), pp.76-82.

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/search?identifier=567642

http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document;docid=567642

 

Third, an English language paper is:

 

Mol, D., Bijkerk, A. and Ballard, J.P., 2018. Deciduous Tusks 

and Small Permanent Tusks of the Woolly Mammoth, 

Mammuthus primigenius (Blumenbach, 1799) Found 

on Beaches in The Netherlands. Quaternary, 1(1), 14 pp.

https://www.mdpi.com/2571-550X/1/1/7

 

Finally, one paper that mentions the importance of fossil

collectors and their generousity is:

 

Langeveld, B.W., Mol, D. and van der Plicht, H., 2018, Arctic 

fox (Alopex lagopus) from the North Sea. DEINSEA. 18, 1-5.

https://www.hetnatuurhistorisch.nl/fileadmin/user_upload/documents-nmr/Publicaties/Deinsea/Deinsea_18/Deinsea_18_1-5_Langeveld_et_al.pdf.pdf

https://www.rug.nl/research/portal/files/59782031/Arctic_fox_Alopex_lagopus_from_the_North_Sea.pdf

 

Yours,

 

Paul H.

[Max-fossils]

@Oxytropidoceras thanks for all the papers. You'll notice the name Langeveld on many of them; he's the one that led the expedition. We know each other pretty well as I did some volunteer work for him at Het Natuurhistorisch Rotterdam (where he works), and met him on several previous occasions (fossil fairs, hunts and symposia). 

 

Also, as I'm part of the WTKG, I get the Afzettingen magazine (as well as the Cainozoic Research magazine) sent to my mailbox whenever there is a new issue. Some of these papers are a little older though, and I was unaware of them, so thanks  

[Oxytropidoceras]

I am going to use Langeveld et al. (2018) and other selected papers about Zandmotor and van Hoek van Holland to argue that the archaeologists and paleontologists in Louisiana should be looking for fossils and artifacts that wash out of beach nourishment projects in Louisiana. They are and will be using using sands from early Holocene and Pleistocene paleovalleys and paloechannels. It is certainly something that professional archaeologists and paleontologists could consider doing in the United States. For example a Pleistocene vertebrate fauna has been recovered from the dredge spoil at the Texas City dike in Texas, which has not been formally published on as far as I have found.

[Max-fossils]

On 10/28/2018 at 4:21 PM, Oxytropidoceras said:

I am going to use Langeveld et al. (2018) and other selected papers about Zandmotor and van Hoek van Holland to argue that the archaeologists and paleontologists in Louisiana should be looking for fossils and artifacts that wash out of beach nourishment projects in Louisiana. They are and will be using using sands from early Holocene and Pleistocene paleovalleys and paloechannels. It is certainly something that professional archaeologists and paleontologists could consider doing in the United States. For example a Pleistocene vertebrate fauna has been recovered from the dredge spoil at the Texas City dike in Texas, which has not been formally published on as far as I have found.

That's a great idea! Beaches are a surprisingly rich place to look for fossils, as long as the right sand layers are used. It's interesting on the Zandmotor how you can see the different sands that they used. Some places the sand is more orangy seen from a distance (actually caused by the Holocene/recent shells), and a little darker. But other sands appear much more gray (caused by the gray Eemian fossil shells) and a little lighter. You only really see those differences from a little further away (so not when it's right beneath your feet). These different places really appear like patches, it's really interesting to see. 

 

Back to your argument, I totally agree with you. A lot of the knowledge on fossil shells and mammals from the North Sea's past have been made on basis of beach finds. 

What I would also add to your argument is to encourage local citizens to collect too. Here in the Netherlands, many amateur collectors are frequently in contact with museums and regularly donate the specimens they find; they have much more time (and more opportunities) to hunt on the beach regularly, meaning that they will usually find the best and most interesting stuff. So if the archaeo/paleontologists in Louisiana manage to encourage local citizens to hunt at the beach too (and donate the most worthy finds) during events and so, that would be great. I was surprised by how many specimens in museum collections are actually found by amateurs. So that would be another useful point for you to add. 

[DPS Ammonite]

On 10/28/2018 at 8:21 AM, Oxytropidoceras said:

I am going to use Langeveld et al. (2018) and other selected papers about Zandmotor and van Hoek van Holland to argue that the archaeologists and paleontologists in Louisiana should be looking for fossils and artifacts that wash out of beach nourishment projects in Louisiana. 

I agree, a good idea. You might look into laws (and point them out to the proper party) that might require the presence of an archeologist and or a paleontologist during public projects. California is good about monitoring most projects. I do not know how good Louisiana is.