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A safe container and place for displaying a pyrite ammonite

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ziggycardon

Hi I have a question regarding storing and safely displaying a pyrite fossil. 

I have read a great deal about pyrite disease so I know that's something to be carefull of and I have read you best keep them away from humid and store them in an air-sealed container. 
And now that's where I am heading with this question, what is all considered as a possible air-sealed container?

I am currently keeping my pyrite ammonite (Pleuroceras Spinatum from Buttenheim in Germany) in a small transparent box as seen in the photo below, but is this good enough?
Is this air-tight and will this protect the fossil from possibly falling victim to pyrite disease?

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Or do you guys recommend other ways to display it? Safer ways...

Than the second part of my question...
Some might already read that I am currently working on a new fossil room, and since it's nearly finished I was wondering wether it was safe to house pyrite fossils in said room when I take some precautions.

 
Cause along with my fossils the room will contain 2 aquaria: 

one freshwater aquarium with my Polypterus retropinnis,

and one brackish water with my Gymnothorax tile. 

 

(Also before transforming into a fossil room this room used to be one of the 2 aquarium/terrarium rooms in the house and it contained at one point 12 aquaria and we never really experienced problems with moisture.) 

As precautious measure I was planning to add a small dehumidifier just to be safe, but so my second question. 
Would it be wise to house a pyrite fossil in an air-tight container in this room even if it has a dehumidifier in it?
And should you also recommend me to preserve the fossil in some paraloid on the fossil, I still have a bottle with 100 ml of paraloid.

I would like to hear your opinions on the matter.
Which container to use?
To preserve it with Paraloid or not?
And if I can move it the to new fossil room or if I should leave it in my old display case in my living room?

Thank you in advance! 

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facehugger

Can't answer your question, but your ammonite is stunning. 

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FranzBernhard

I am sure that you know, that this ammo is an impression.

There are lots of such impressions for sale from Buttenheim or Unterstürmig, but I don´t know if they are really pyritic or just painted. The corresponding steinkerns are made of pyrite, though.

Franz Bernhard

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michele 1937
3 hours ago, ziggycardon said:

Ciao, ho una domanda riguardante la conservazione e la visualizzazione sicura di un fossile di pirite. 

Ho letto molto sulla malattia della pirite, quindi so che è una cosa da tenere in considerazione e ho letto che è meglio tenerli lontani da umidità e conservarli in un contenitore sigillato a tenuta d'aria. 
E ora è qui che sto andando con questa domanda, che cosa è considerato un possibile contenitore sigillato ad aria?

Attualmente sto conservando la mia pirite di ammonite (Pleuroceras Spinatum di Buttenheim in Germania) in una piccola scatola trasparente come si vede nella foto qui sotto, ma è abbastanza buono?
È a tenuta d'aria e questo proteggerà il fossile da possibili vittime della pirite?

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O ragazzi raccomandate altri modi per visualizzarlo? Vie più sicure ...

Rispetto alla seconda parte della mia domanda ...
Alcuni potrebbero già aver letto che sto lavorando a una nuova stanza fossile, e poiché è quasi finito mi chiedevo se fosse sicuro ospitare i fossili di pirite in quella stanza quando Prendo alcune precauzioni.

 
Perché insieme ai miei fossili la stanza conterrà 2 acquari: 

un acquario d'acqua dolce con il mio Polypterus retropinnis,

e un'acqua salmastra con la mia tessera Gymnothorax. 

 

(Anche prima di trasformarsi in una stanza fossile, questa stanza era una delle 2 sale acquario / terrario della casa e conteneva in un punto 12 acquari e non abbiamo mai veramente avuto problemi con l'umidità.) 

Come misura precauzionale stavo progettando di aggiungere un piccolo deumidificatore solo per sicurezza, ma così la mia seconda domanda. 
Sarebbe saggio ospitare un fossile di pirite in un contenitore a tenuta stagna in questa stanza anche se ha un deumidificatore?
E se dovessi raccomandarmi anche di preservare il fossile in qualche paraloide sul fossile, ho ancora una bottiglia con 100 ml di paraloide.

Mi piacerebbe sentire le vostre opinioni in merito.
Quale contenitore usare?
Per preservarlo con Paraloid o no?
E se posso spostarlo nella nuova stanza fossile o se dovrei lasciarlo nella mia vecchia teca nel mio salotto?

Grazie in anticipo! 

I think it was brushed with a brass brush.
It does not oxidize.

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PaleoRon

I think the box should be sufficient, especially if you place a small bag of desiccant under the ammonite. if you want to take it a step further you could use some sort of sealant around the area where the top and bottom of the box articulate.  I would not want to have unprotected pyrite specimens in a room with fish tanks.

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Wrangellian

I have one of those ammos from Buttenheim, looked exactly the same gold color when I bought it years ago, but it is now turning white, so I do believe it is made of pyrite, not simply pained or brushed.

I would think an airtight container would be sufficient to protect it from the air and at least protect anything around it from off-gassing, but the only way to be sure is to keep it like that for a while and see what happens, and keep us updated!

Is that little box sealed around the join with something like glue, to make sure it's truly airtight?

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Praefectus

While aquariums raise the humidity of the room the amount depends on the size of the aquarium. I would make sure to have a lid on the aquarium. 

 

Post a picture of your polypterus when you are done. 

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ziggycardon
On 5-11-2018 at 6:54 PM, FranzBernhard said:

I am sure that you know, that this ammo is an impression.

Franz Bernhard

Yes, I know this is an impression, that why the inner spiral goes outward instead of inward :) 
 

On 5-11-2018 at 8:15 PM, michele 1937 said:

I think it was brushed with a brass brush.
It does not oxidize.

On 5-11-2018 at 6:54 PM, FranzBernhard said:

There are lots of such impressions for sale from Buttenheim or Unterstürmig, but I don´t know if they are really pyritic or just painted. The corresponding steinkerns are made of pyrite, though.

On 6-11-2018 at 2:38 AM, Wrangellian said:

I have one of those ammos from Buttenheim, looked exactly the same gold color when I bought it years ago, but it is now turning white, so I do believe it is made of pyrite, not simply pained or brushed.

I see the opinions are mixed whether the ammonite is painted or natural pyrite, I examined it with my microscope and with a magnifying glass and nothing really screamed painting to my untrained eye, but will have to do some tests to find out for sure I suppose. 

 

On 5-11-2018 at 8:49 PM, PaleoRon said:

I think the box should be sufficient, especially if you place a small bag of desiccant under the ammonite. if you want to take it a step further you could use some sort of sealant around the area where the top and bottom of the box articulate.  I would not want to have unprotected pyrite specimens in a room with fish tanks.

Thank you for the tip regarding the small bag of desiccant, didn't think of it! 
I suppose bags of silica gel/grains would serve this purpose well! 

 

On 6-11-2018 at 2:38 AM, Wrangellian said:

I would think an airtight container would be sufficient to protect it from the air and at least protect anything around it from off-gassing, but the only way to be sure is to keep it like that for a while and see what happens, and keep us updated!

Is that little box sealed around the join with something like glue, to make sure it's truly airtight?

On 5-11-2018 at 8:49 PM, PaleoRon said:

If you want to take it a step further you could use some sort of sealant around the area where the top and bottom of the box articulate.  I would not want to have unprotected pyrite specimens in a room with fish tanks.

Okay thank you for the tips, I think I will seal it with silicone glue, I have it always at home here to use with the aquaria & terraria.

And I suppose it wouldn't hurt to treat the ammonite with a thin layer of Paraloid either.

 

11 hours ago, Praefectus said:

While aquariums raise the humidity of the room the amount depends on the size of the aquarium. I would make sure to have a lid on the aquarium. 

 

Post a picture of your polypterus when you are done. 

The aquarium with the Gymnothorax tile is ± 100 liters (± 26 gallons)

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The aquarium of the Polypterus retropinnis is ± 460 liters (±121 gallons)

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