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Potential theropod tooth (New Jersey Cretaceous)


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I found this tiny, stream worn tooth a few months ago and was looking for opinions/information on it. I showed it to local paleontologists and was told it may be a theropod tooth but it's tough to be certain on a worn, isolated tooth.

 

The tooth has faint serrations on both sides but they are much larger and are more visible on the distal side. The root section looks broken up but hopefully my pictures will give you an idea. 

 

It's tough to get good pictures of it due to it's size but here's my best effort. As always, all help is greatly appreciated!

-Frank

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That's a nice find Frank. Sorry I can't help with an ID.

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Doesn’t look like croc because it’s not circular enough in cross-section and is too curved. Also doesn’t look mosasaur because the cross-section appears ovular, not circular compared to the Mosasaur teeth I’ve seen. I think Theropod is reasonable but I have seen some odd Mosasaur teeth that are pretty compressed and have some serrations.

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Take this with a grain of salt please; but I am getting a mosasaur vibe from this. I have a very similar tooth frag from a Cretaceous location here in N.C. that is well known for dino material that has been I.D.'d as mosasaur.

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I think that it is mosasaur, but possibly a pterygoid tooth. 

Nice find, Frank. 

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Just now, Fossildude19 said:

I think that it is mosasaur, but possibly a pterygoid tooth. 

Nice find, Frank. 

I am liking this assessment.

 

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Most likely theropod tooth, as mosasaur teeth with serrations are almost unheard of.

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It looks quite similar to dromeosaur teeth from Montana. 

 

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It resembles a mosasaur pterygoid tooth, because the tooth is erroded to the point where only 1/3 is left.

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Thank you for the replies. I had a feeling it would come down to Theropod and Mosasaur. For comparison sake, here is a picture of it (yellow arrow) compared to Mosasaur teeth I have found. If it is Mosasaur, it would be by far my smallest and thinnest.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ramon said:

Most likely theropod tooth, as mosasaur teeth with serrations are almost unheard of.

Where do you see serrations ?

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6 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

Where do you see serrations ?

 

The pictures don’t show them quite well, but they are present on at least one of the edges of the tooth.

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I think there may be too many rows to call serrations on the top one, perhaps not.

The other looks like the broken edge of the enamel to me.

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They do look like serrations to me, but the tooth is too eroded to assign it to anything beyond Theropoda. I wouldn’t even assign it to a dromaeosaur.

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Cool tooth, Frank! For what its worth, I agree with Theropod tooth.

 

You have a swell tooth collection. :wub:

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Frank, I think this might be just the tip of a  larger mosasaur tooth.   I think its a lot like your specimen from a few years ago that many thought was Globidens but was also just the tip of a larger common mosasaur tooth.   

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It is a mostly complete small Mosasaur tooth. Theropod teeth would be less elliptical and more flattened in cross-section. Mosasaur teeth can get even smaller than this one.

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I disagree, I think it is only the tip (1/3) of the tooth of a theropod.

 

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There appears to be a second ridge forming a facet on the tooth that shouldn't be there.

Am I  just seeing it wrong ? 

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Just a thought.

 

The edge looks as if it is accelerating toward the base. So the slicing function probably ends quite close to the base of the image.

It would not be possible to cut such a curve in half and extrapolate it to a larger shape. It is not self similar or repeatable.

 

However, it is quite difficult to tell if the edge is actually accelerating or if it is an optical illusion.

 

8 hours ago, Ramon said:

I disagree, I think it is only the tip (1/3) of the tooth of a theropod.

 

 

18 hours ago, frankh8147 said:

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Jumping back in here, I still lean more strongly towards mosasaur on this one. The serrations don't actually look all that weathered and appear to be slightly irregular - something I wouldn't expect from a theropod. The curve and thickness are not out of the question for a theropod, but they sure are consistent with a mosasaur pterygoid tooth.

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18 hours ago, Ramon said:

 

The pictures don’t show them quite well, but they are present on at least one of the edges of the tooth.

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This photo reminded me of this pic...

 

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...(from Can You Identify Tyrannosaur Teeth From North America?and the very worn, seeming a bit irregular, serrations. 

 

I still like Theropod, but heck, my mind has the ability to believe that anything is true. 

 

Frank, can you get some better (magnified) images of the edges?

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Now this...

 

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...is "a wonderfully preserved Mosasaur pterygoid tooth" from @CreekCrawler's post Mosasaur Pterygoid " Shed Tooth".

 

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Thanks for the replies! I'll try to get some better pictures but I'm having difficulty getting good ones..

 

@Carl This is actually a different tooth than the prior potential theropod you helped me out with (found in the same general area) but appearance is pretty similar. It was also pointed out by me to another New Jersey collector that another Mosasaur tooth I recently found (lacking serrations) looked similar in shape too..

 

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