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Thanks to my friend @Jeffrey P !

He had given me some matrix that he collected at the Lower Permian Waurika Oklahoma site on his epic road trip this summer.  

I have spent some time breaking down the clay matrix, and going through the remaining bits to look for fossils. 

I've found a few teeth so far, but this was pretty cool.

 

I was putting some hunks of matrix into different solutions to try to break down the clay, and came across this larger solid bit. 

Upon cleaning it, I realized it mus be a coprolite. 

It has many inclusions, Orthocanthus teeth, what appear to be bone bits, and fish scales.  

@Carl @GeschWhat  may be interested in this.  :) 

Enjoy!

 

Matrix from the Lower Permian Wellington - Garbar 
Complex

Note: each square on the background is 5mm by 5mm

Coprolite is 2 cm long.

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Thanks Jeff! 

And thanks again for thinking of me, and giving me the matrix to go through. 

 

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1 minute ago, Tidgy's Dad said:

Very nice. 

Very interesting.

Lori will love it! :)

Thank you, Adam. 

I hope she will. :) 

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Just now, Carl said:

Man, I love Waurika... Wish it were closer. That is almost certainly a coprolite and an exquisite one! Woohoo!

Thanks, Carl! It is really interesting stuff to look through. :) 

Still have much more to go through! :) 

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Just now, Bullsnake said:

Aren't micros fun!:D

Congratulations, Tim!

Thanks Steve! 

Yeah, they are interesting. And I can do it at my desk inside, instead of out in my cold shed. :) 

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3 hours ago, Fossildude19 said:

I was putting some hunks of matrix into different solutions to try to break down the clay, and came across this larger solid bit. 

 

Matrix from the Lower Permian Wellington - Garbar 
Complex

 

Tim

 

Really nice coprolite!

 

I've broken down a good bit of that clay Permian matrix.  I just dried it really well outside in the sun (you can use a conventional oven up to 150 F also but I prefer sun drying) and then soaked it in very hot water overnight to break it down.  If there was still clay left, I repeated the drying and very hot water overnight.  If for some reason that doesn't work or for a final cleanup, you can use 3% Walmart H2O2, Hydrogen Peroxide, on the stubborn pieces (don't use H2O2 if you already have used other chemicals on the matrix). I wouldn't use any other chemicals on clay (you can use detergents but I never liked using them even low suds detergents).

 

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7 minutes ago, MarcoSr said:

 

Tim

 

Really nice coprolite!

 

I've broken down a good bit of that clay Permian matrix.  I just dried it really well outside in the sun (you can use a conventional oven up to 150 F also but I prefer sun drying) and then soaked it in very hot water overnight to break it down.  If there was still clay left, I repeated the drying and very hot water overnight.  If for some reason that doesn't work or for a final cleanup, you can use 3% Walmart H2O2, Hydrogen Peroxide, on the stubborn pieces (don't use H2O2 if you already have used other chemicals on the matrix). I wouldn't use any other chemicals on clay (you can use detergents but I never liked using them even low suds detergents).

 

Marco Sr. 

Thanks, Marco Sr. :)  I appreciate the tips. 

I was just using H2O2 for a tiny bit of matrix, and water in the other containers. Will be checking on them today, when I get home from work. 

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20 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said:

Thanks, Marco Sr. :)  I appreciate the tips. 

I was just using H2O2 for a tiny bit of matrix, and water in the other containers. Will be checking on them today, when I get home from work. 

 

Tim

 

Some denticles, fish teeth and a few other specimens are only 1mm long or less and will fall through window screen.  If you don't want to lose them use a .5 mm mesh sieve.  How many specimens that are this small size depends on exactly where the matrix was taken from.

 

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16 minutes ago, GeschWhat said:

That is beautiful! I have quite a few from that area, but haven't seen one with Orthocanthus teeth before. That is a real gem!

Thanks, Lori! I am pleased to have come across this.  :) 

7 minutes ago, doushantuo said:

good find,Tim:dinothumb:

Thanks, Ben. :) 

Just now, MarcoSr said:

 

Tim

 

Some denticles, fish teeth and a few other specimens are only 1mm long or less and will fall through window screen.  If you don't want to loose them use a .5 mm mesh sieve.  How many specimens that are this small size depends on exactly where the matrix was taken from.

 

Marco Sr.

Thank you, again, sir. :) 

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Nice coprolite with teeth inclusions!!!

Now I'm inspired to get my un-looked at material out. 

2 hours ago, Fossildude19 said:

And I can do it at my desk inside, instead of out in my cold shed.

Perfect pastime for bad weather.

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Quite the pocket sized "gut contents check" you have going on there.

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27 minutes ago, Uncle Siphuncle said:

Quite the pocket sized "gut contents check" you have going on there.

Yep. Luckily, I found it before I stepped in it. :P 

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That is a really nice poop You found!

I think that is the most inclusions in a coprolite I have seen, and the only shark teeth.

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2 minutes ago, ynot said:

That is a really nice poop You found!

I think that is the most inclusions in a coprolite I have seen, and the only shark teeth.

 

 

Thanks, Tony. :) 

I was impressed with the amount of inclusions. 

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That's a really cool coprolite! I'm getting more and more interested in the waurika material. I just want to know one thing; what's the legality of collecting the fossils there? I want to go someday (although I have no clue when I'd be able to) but don't want to be breaking any laws in doing so without proper permission. If anyone knows the answer I would love to hear it.

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Wow now that is very cool I think it is my favourite geological time period the Permian. A great specimen indeed. :wub: 

 

 

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On 11/21/2018 at 11:42 PM, PaleoNoel said:

That's a really cool coprolite! I'm getting more and more interested in the waurika material. I just want to know one thing; what's the legality of collecting the fossils there? I want to go someday (although I have no clue when I'd be able to) but don't want to be breaking any laws in doing so without proper permission. If anyone knows the answer I would love to hear it.

Not sure. 

You may want to contact Carl or JeffreyP to find out. :) 

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Here is a LINK to some of my other finds from the Waurika matrix.

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