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Yoda

Hi,

 

I am new to fossil collecting.

My main interest is Invertebrates & Fish

Have seen some suppliers on online (UK). There are 2 big advertisers / shops that have some items that I am interested in.

How do I know if the items being offered are genuine? 

 

If I am correct, I am not allowed to name them or post a link?

 

Advice welcome

Thanks

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Coco

Hi,

 

Right, but you are allowed to put here pics and information, but with your words ;)

 

Coco

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LordTrilobite

Even trustworthy sellers can be fooled.

 

There's only one way to be sure. And that is by educating yourself. Sadly the industry for faking fossils is huge and are sold all over the world. Especially fossils from Morocco and China are faked on a massive scale.

 

But if you have your eye on a specific fossil you want to buy, you can post some photos here and we can try to help identify if it's real or fake. Another tip is to start small. Gaining experience with cheap fossils can be invaluable in later cases.

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Tidgy's Dad

Hello, and a very warm welcome to TFF from Morocco where a lot of the best genuine fossils on the market also come from. :)

We will be happy to help if you can post pictures, but no details of the seller, here on the "Is it Real?' section. 

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Yoda

I had my eye on these:

 

 

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s-l226.jpg

s-l227.jpg

 

Please can you tell me how you came to the conclusion if they are genuine or fake. 

Thanks

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daves64

Can't see any details in the 3rd pic (too small), but I'm thinking the first & second are real. The prep is too rough to be fake, especially the 2nd one.

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Kane

Agree with daves64.

 

It is possible that the first one, the phacopid, may have some restoration (or could be a fake, what-have-you), but closer images would be required to see if the eye lenses are detailed, or if there is presence of resin bubbles. Usually not worth faking (however, the Drotops layer is quickly being exhausted). 

 

The second one, the Flexicalymene ouzregui, is very common and in no way worth faking. It is common practice, though, to glue on the cephalon to the thoracopygon. You could probably do better than this example. 

 

The third one raises some flags. Get much better, close-up images. At the moment, it looks like one of those mass-produced pieces one sometimes sees at rock shows, judging by the shape of the matrix and possibly the orientation of the spines.

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Tidgy's Dad

Agree with all of the above. 

The last one is almost certainly not genuine. 

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LordTrilobite

The first and third pictures are much too small to make a proper judgement.

I agree that the second one looks real.

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Misha

I have seen tons of those Dicranurus trilos, ones in that position are usually mass produced and not real.

The other two look fine.

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digit

Didn't know that the Moroccan's had invented paleo-retroactive cloning? :P

 

I think you have your answer on the third one. Yes, they are impressive looking beasties and you'd love to have one in your collection but you'd only be buying an 'art piece'.

 

Welcome to the forum. You'll find lots of great information and informative members here.

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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Yoda

Thanks everyone for your input.

 

As I mentioned , I am new to this. 

At this stage I am not knowledgeable or experienced. 

Tbh, I would prefer to buy cheaper, entry level specimens. Can't really afford the expensive museum grade specimens, nor do I want to until this hobby is something I want to commit to. 

But on the other hand I don't want to get ripped off by buying fakes. 

 

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Brett Breakin' Rocks
43 minutes ago, DPS Ammonite said:

Consider joining a local paleontology society or rock and mineral club. You are your best own genuine supplier. Finding your own fossils guarantees their provenance and your fossils usually mean more to you than store bought fossils. Finding your own fossils is the easiest way to spark your educational journey into the addictive world of paleontology.

Yep .. haha I couldn't agree more. You really can not get into this hobby unless you plan on rolling up your sleeves, donning a sweet set of shades, and getting dirty. (Cold, Wet, Bitten, Burnt, Broken etc.. ) All while enjoying the great outdoors !

 

Purchasing fossils from the four corners of the globe is fun, but it's just the sweet icing on the cake.

 

Good luck.

Brett

 

PS. Sometimes trading or buying from others in the hobby will get you on the inside track to owning some of the most exquisite fossils. Truly not something you can just hop down and pick up at your local internet connection. 

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JohnBrewer
7 hours ago, Yoda said:

I had my eye on these:

 

 

s-l225.jpg

s-l226.jpg

s-l227.jpg

 

Please can you tell me how you came to the conclusion if they are genuine or fake. 

Thanks

Seller with the cubes is honest and reliable albeit expensive :) 

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JohnBrewer
4 hours ago, Yoda said:

Thanks everyone for your input.

 

As I mentioned , I am new to this. 

At this stage I am not knowledgeable or experienced. 

Tbh, I would prefer to buy cheaper, entry level specimens. Can't really afford the expensive museum grade specimens, nor do I want to until this hobby is something I want to commit to. 

But on the other hand I don't want to get ripped off by buying fakes. 

 

Where do you live @Yoda

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Yoda
13 hours ago, JohnBrewer said:

Where do you live @Yoda

I am near Watford, just inside the M25

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Bobby Rico

Why not look at the end of year auction there is some lovely lots available and it helps with the upkeep of TFF . It is a win win situation if you win.:D 

 

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Yoda

There is a UK supplier who seems to be welll known online who is selling bags of 100grams of Ammonites

Is this any good for someone starting out with no experience of cleaning them. 

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aeon.rocks

 

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I would prefer to buy cheaper, entry level specimens. Can't really afford the expensive museum grade specimens, nor do I want to until this hobby is something I want to commit to. 

 

 

 

Exactly why some buyers usually get ripped off. For Moroccan specimens there are so many different levels of quality, that if you settle with the cheapest ones,  it's probably better to just go outside, find a rock and pick it up. :D Find a balance between price, species and quality... All buyers, who have no respect for Moroccan work or think Moroccans are trying to rip them off, should however stick with purchasing USA specimens and prepared in USA fossils only, lol (which often cost up to 10x more as same quality from Morocco).  ;)

 

You don't need to buy "expensive museum grade specimens" (although I'm not sure what you mean by expensive and what cheaper, for some 30$ is already expensive for a Moroccan specimen), but perhaps just start with more common and non-spiny species (instead of looking for a bargain Dicranurus) and take your time to see different fossils in offers... No need to limit your search to UK either. 

 

 

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JohnBrewer

They’re very poor quality, I’ve seen some. Fossils of this quality could well put people off the hobby. 

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JohnBrewer

PM me, I can send you some bits I’ve found here in the U.K.  

 

re Morocco, you can get some nice teeth for not much money providing they’re not too big. Cheap and big in Morocco is to be wary of. You can get mosasaur, spinosaur, otodus even pterosaurid teeth for £20 or so. 

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