Archie Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Hi everyone, A friend has asked me to post this rather beautiful mystery rock for ID, it was found by a friend of his on the Norfolk Coast UK. Unfortunately that's all the info I have on it with regards to find locality. My friend is thinking its biological in origin but I'm pretty convinced its something geological, it reminded me of cross bedding in sandstones and I came across some diagrams of cross trough bedding that seem to show an identical pattern but I cant seem to find any good photos of real examples. Any suggestions much appreciated! Regards, Sam 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 That is insanely beautiful... lucky friend! Could it possibly be stromatoporoid type? It looks like ones I find here. I have zero knowledge of cross bedding except what you've put here. 1 "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I agree with this being a good example of cross bedding. The other side looks like an intrusive vien rather than part of the cross bedding as it intersects all of the planes of the cross bedding and has an amorphous grain/pattern. Nice rock, tells a very interesting story. 3 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 While I agree that it does look like trough cross bedding I'm concerned that the size is unusually small , i don't see any sedimentary grains and also a number of the troughs appear to have a secondary inner trough. The separating thin layers are also unusually thin and even. But having said that I have no other suggestion. It is a beautiful piece! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 every "unit" seems to be surrounded by a thinnish black layer,unless I'm very much mistaken Some of you may find this useful: Campbell 1967.pdf Charles V.Campbell Lamina,Laminaset,Bedset and bed Sedimentology(8),1967 edit:approx.2,2 Mb NB: items below NOT an outtake form the above article 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Looks very similar to this piece of sandstone limonite with scale pattern: 7 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 Thanks for all the help everyone much appreciated! @ynot I definitely agree that looks like an igneous vein cutting through the cross bedding and @doushantuo I'm thinking the dark lines around every "unit" are possibly where the iron oxide staining throughout the entire piece is especially concentrated? @Kane thank you for showing this example! Its interesting the edges of the "scales" on this piece have resisted weathering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxytropidoceras Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I would tend to go with Kane that the mm-scale, trough-like, features are, like the image that he posted, Liesegang banding. Go see: Burgess, D.T., Kettler, R.M. and Loope, D.B., 2016. The Geologic Context of Wonderstone: A Complex, Outcrop- Scaled Pattern of Iron-Oxide Cement. Journal of Sedimentary Research, 86(5), pp.498-511. http://eas2.unl.edu/~dloope/pdf/BurgessJSRWonderstone.pdf http://eas2.unl.edu/~dloope/ https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/segweb/jsedres/article/86/5/498/145532 Kettler, R.M., Loope, D.B., Weber, K.A. and Niles, P.B., 2015. Life and Liesegang: outcrop-scale microbially induced diagenetic structures and geochemical self- organization phenomena produced by oxidation of reduced iron. Astrobiology, 15(8), pp.616-636. http://eas2.unl.edu/~dloope/pdf/Astrobiology.pdf’ http://eas2.unl.edu/~dloope/ Yours, Paul H. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I do love the depth of knowledge on this forum (and learning something new each day). Who knew that I'd be reading up on Liesegang Rings before lunch? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liesegang_rings Agreed that the specimen in question is a really cool looking rock and I find it much more interesting as an example of a not well understood chemo-geological process rather than something biological. Thanks for sharing this. Cheers. -Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1213401.pdf Self-organized iron-oxide cementation geometry as an indicator of paleoflows Yifeng Wang,Marjorie A.Chan and Enrique Merino Nature,Scientific reports also F. Balsamo, F.H.R. Bezerra, M.M. Vieira, and F. Storti Structural control on the formation of iron-oxide concretions and Liesegang bands in faulted, poorly lithified Cenozoic sandstones of the Paraíba Basin, Brazil GSA Bulletin; May/June 2013; v. 125; no. 5/6; p. 913–931 6,6 MB so this one find takes us to the multidisciplinary interface of geochemistry,hydrology,structural geology,and chaos physics Archie,thanks man Hats off to all involved,BTW This shows the power of the collective,I suppose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocentx Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Oxytropidoceras said: microbially induced diagenetic structures Is that what happened here? "Journey through a universe ablaze with changes" Phil Ochs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 Thank you for the fantastic links @Oxytropidoceras @digit and @doushantuo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doushantuo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Any thoughts on this: Might it not be a case of waning flow deposition?The linguoid ripples were not eroded by bottom currents,but instead were covered with an equidimensional clay drape. The clay drape armours the linguoid ripples against further diagenesis by meteoric water(porosity/permeability reduction) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Top of the morning to you, Westcoast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just now, doushantuo said: Top of the morning to you Westcoast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Dragon scales? Seriously looks like fractures in a flint nodule or quartz vein highlighted by a dark mineral in the cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Scylla said: Dragon scales? Seriously looks like fractures in a flint nodule or quartz vein highlighted by a dark mineral in the cracks. This was originally posted by the friend of my friend on a Norfolk Coast fossil forum, dragon scales was one members suggestion and fractures in a flint nodule was my first guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 The problem with a cracked rock ID is the angle of propagation. A crack can take a 90 degree change , but to have so many in one rock and such a uniform half circle fracture for all of the cracks is beyond possible. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, ynot said: The problem with a cracked rock ID is the angle of propagation. A crack can take a 90 degree change , but to have so many in one rock and such a uniform half circle fracture for all of the cracks is beyond possible. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 9:03 PM, ynot said: The problem with a cracked rock ID is the angle of propagation. A crack can take a 90 degree change , but to have so many in one rock and such a uniform half circle fracture for all of the cracks is beyond possible. Maybe, but cracks can do some seemingly beyond possible things. By the way, don't do a Google image search for "strange cracks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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